161. Open Heart Surgery And Contrast Therapy: Facing Adversity With Dom
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Life is riddled with anxiety and fear inducing events, however our mentality plays a massive role in the way we face these events. When Dom was faced with the reality of undergoing open heart surgery, he was likely flooded with mixed emotions. However, Dom was able to face the surgery head on, while keeping a strong mindset throughout the recovery process as well.
In this episode Dom, the director of community experience at Plunge, shares his experience in preparing mentally and physically for major life events that might be shrouded in fear and anxiety. He also shares his contrast therapy experience and practice with us, as well as the role that it's played in his life. Evan and Dom also share their personal experiences with using wellness tracking devices such as the whoop band and oura ring.
This episode will provide you with tools to strengthen your mindset, explain some of the less tangible benefits of contrast therapy, and shed some insight on the health and wellness practices that both Evan and Dom utilize.
As always, do everything with good intentions and connect to your elements.
Dom's Bio:
Dom Cianciotto is a mindset coach who curates wellness experiences based on science backed protocols. He’s also the director of community and experiences at Plunge. By sharing the mental frameworks and practices that have helped him overcome his own challenges - depression, financial hardships, open heart surgery - Dom guides different modalities like heat, cold exposure, and breathwork to help you unlock your power.
DISCLAIMER:
This podcast is for educational purposes only, it is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. Evan Roberts is not a medical professional and this podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. Statements and views expressed on this show are not medical advice, this podcast, including Evan Roberts and any guests on the show, disclaims responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information contained in this episode. If you think you have a medical problem please consult a medical professional.
Transcript
Hey, what's going on, everyone.
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:Welcome to the elemental Evan podcast.
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:This is your host, Evan Roberts.
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:And on this show, I break down
health topics from a holistic
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:and simplified perspective.
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:So you can walk away from these
episodes with some very actionable
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:steps that you can apply to your life
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:right after hearing this episode.
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:And on this episode, I'm joined
by a really good friend of mine.
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:His name is Dom.
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:He is the director of community
experiences over at plunge, which
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:if you're unfamiliar with plunge,
it is a contrast therapy company.
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:They make some really sleek looking.
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:Uh, ice baths as well as saunas.
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:And really excited to obviously
talk with Dom about his work over at
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:plunge and kind of all of the work
that they're doing and kind of new
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:innovations that are coming out.
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:But beyond that.
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:Uh, Dom is a.
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:Very well-experienced, uh,
coach, when it comes to guiding
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:people through contrast therapy.
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:So ice baths, breath work.
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:Uh, Andy.
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:In my opinion.
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:He also has a really great mindset and
tools for developing a strong mindset.
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:The reason I say that is because in
:
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:surgery and just the whole preparation.
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:Uh, mentally and physically to
go into a surgery like that.
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:It takes a lot out of a person and,
you know, it can be very taxing.
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:There's a lot of fear, a lot of
anxiety around it, which of, you
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:know, of course is to be expected.
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:But nonetheless, Dom shares his
experience and kind of some of the
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:mental work that he was doing, physical
work that he was doing to prep for
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:not only going into surgery, but then
the aftermath of the surgery, right.
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:The recuperation.
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:Period of getting through the surgery and
really talking about how he was able to.
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:In a very short amount of time, get
back to where he was pre, uh, going
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:into the surgery, which is super cool.
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:Uh, it's really awesome to hear
his whole idea and mindset around
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:kind of prepping for this surgery
and this big event in his life.
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:And personally, I feel like I gained
some really beneficial tools just from
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:our conversation in terms of applying.
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:You know them too.
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:Difficult experiences in my life,
things that I might have fear around or
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:resistance or, you know, any anxiety.
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:And really just once again, coming
back to that, Marcus Raley's quo of
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:making the obstacle the way, right.
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:That which stands in
the way becomes the way.
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:And so really.
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:That was one of my favorite
segments of the show.
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:And I think you're going to find a lot
of benefit in that portion as well.
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:But aside from just talking about
mindset, which is one of my favorite
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:topics, uh, but we also talk a bit
about, uh, health trackers, such
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:as the whoop and the aura ring.
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:Uh, Dom uses a whoop currently
and seems to really enjoy it.
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:And I have used the aura ring in the past.
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:And so we're able to speak a
little bit on those and kind of.
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:Give our input on what we enjoy
or what we don't enjoy about
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:both of these trackers overall.
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:Uh, these trackers are very beneficial
and, um, definitely if you're thinking
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:about it, go ahead and check them out
and look into them a bit, but we give
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:a little bit of a breakdown on those.
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:And then we also talk a lot, obviously
about cold plunging and sauna sessions.
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:So contrast therapy, which I know I've
spoken about on the show before, but
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:it's really cool to speak with Dom
about these, uh, these tools that we
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:can use and how beneficial they are.
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:One thing that we were not able to
speak about, where I had forgotten
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:to speak about regarding saunas was
actually utilizing some chlorophyll.
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:Before we're going into a sauna.
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:So if you.
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:Can remember if, because a lot of times
I always forget this, but if you can
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:remember before you hop into a sauna, A
few hours before getting into the sauna.
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:If you can take some chlorophyll,
it is very beneficial because
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:you're obviously detoxing.
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:When you're in the sauna, you're
sweating a lot of toxins out.
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:And when you take chlorophyll,
it can help to cleanse the blood.
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:It can bind to a.
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:At help remove heavy metals
from your blood as well.
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:And for me personally, I mean, there's a
few different ways to do this, but I like
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:to take the chlorella from energy bits
because you just get a lot of different.
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:Kind of nutrients and vitamins
and different benefits from the
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:chlorella, which is going to have
a ton of core fuel in it as well.
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:But of course you can also just
go the traditional route of taking
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:some liquid chlorophyll, still
going to be extremely beneficial.
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:I know there's a company called higher
dose that also does what's called detox
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:drops, uh, specifically meant for hopping
in the sauna, whatever your choice is.
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:It's.
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:Doesn't matter to me.
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:That's a good idea to take some
chlorophyll before hopping into a
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:sauna to kinda make sure you're getting
the most out of that sauna session.
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:And once again, like I said,
I love to take chlorella.
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:I just find that it has more
benefit because there was
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:more going on with chlorella.
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:It's a micro algae.
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:And so if you want to get some
of that chlorella, go ahead
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:and check out the show notes.
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:There is a discount code
in there for 20% off.
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:That's just for being a listener.
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:And aside from the sauna sessions and
the cold plunge, which have a ton.
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:Of benefit in my opinion.
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:And I think.
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:After listening to this, if you
haven't already done a ice bath and
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:a sauna session, contrast therapy.
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:Uh, I think you'll be
very inclined to do so.
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:And last but not least.
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:Of course, we talk a bit about,
uh, what health practices Dom
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:has currently going on, what he's
doing to stay healthy and active.
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:And of course it's a
health and wellness show.
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:So we had to dig in on that a little
bit, which, uh, Dom also shared
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:that he started taking colostrum.
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:I was able to convince him to
finally start trying some, uh, which
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:of course is the tri armor brand.
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:Uh, absolutely loved their claustrum.
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:It's really, really great
for the immune health.
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:And that is personally the
main reason I take it is.
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:Purely for my immune health.
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:I feel that it's boosted it massively.
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:And Dom seems to feel the same about that.
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:Um, that as well is going to
be linked in the show notes.
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:So if you want to check that out, go
ahead and look in the show notes and
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:you'll have the link right there.
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:And other than that, I'm pretty sure.
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:Uh, there's a few other topics I
missed, but those are going to be the
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:main topics we're going to dive into.
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:So after today's episode, you're
going to have some tools to apply
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:to your mindset in overcoming
difficult or scary situations.
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:You're going to hear a lot
about cold plunging and.
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:Uh, saunas.
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:So the contrast therapy and a little
bit about these health and wellness
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:trackers, the aura ring and the whoop.
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:And of course all the in-between stuff.
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:Hopefully a couple of laughs as well.
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:And, uh, yeah.
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:Hope you enjoy this episode as much
as I did because Dom is a genuinely
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:great guy and I just absolutely love.
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:Having the opportunity to chat with him
anytime I get the opportunity to do so.
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:And it's really cool for me to be
able to bring him onto the show
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:and introduce him to all of you.
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:If you aren't already following
him, or you don't know who he
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:is, go ahead and check them out.
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:He'll also, I'll have all of his,
uh, social media in the show notes.
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:So you can go ahead and find
them there and enjoy the episode.
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:Y'all I really appreciate
you all being here.
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:This is the very first
episode of the new year,:
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:So super happy to be joined by Dom on.
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:on.
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:this episode and yeah, to just share
all of this information with all of you.
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:So anyways, I hope you
enjoyed this episode.
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:Have a great one and let's get to it.
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:Peace.
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:It's, it's interesting.
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:I have been using the whoop to
track, um, like all of my health
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:data, you know, wearable tracker.
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:And it's wild as soon as I get to
Montana, like typically if I fly anywhere,
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:if I were to fly from, let's say Los
Angeles to New York or Miami or any
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:city, usually I have a pretty noticeable
jet lag, a pretty noticeable, um, like
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:lack of recovery for a day or two.
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:It takes me time to adjust just
from a two or three hour flight.
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:Always does that to me.
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:Um, but when I go home, my recovery
improves and my HRV goes up.
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:And it's interesting because I've been,
I've been paying pretty close attention to
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:this, but it seems to me like going home,
your body knows like, Oh, I can rest here.
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:And so it's really nice to come
back and like actually see data on
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:that and be like, I'm doing good.
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:So it's been nice here at home, hanging
out, getting green scores and yeah, good.
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:Yeah.
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:Also, well, uh, what, what's your, what
is your like sleeping score and all that?
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:Like out here in LA?
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:You know, it's really hit or miss.
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:Um, my, I was, you know, it's, it's
really interesting how Random it is.
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:I, I have a pretty consistent schedule and
what I've noticed is when I do long runs
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:or when I do strenuous run, running is, is
like the most strenuous thing that I do.
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:And when I run the next day,
my HRB tanks, and then, um, the
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:second day it comes right back.
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:And if I do a, like what I would
call a gentle contract, I think
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:what like most people would call
like a normal contrast session is
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:a gentle contrast session for me.
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:Um, but like what I mean by gentle is
like you do a couple rounds of sauna for
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:like, you know, 10, 12 minutes, somewhere
in there, a couple minutes in the cold
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:plunge and, and then call it a night.
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:I have great recovery.
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:Um, but I like to do these
really ridiculous sessions.
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:We're all like do contrast for like
7 or 8 rounds and see, you know, go
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:as long as I possibly can in there.
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:Like, try to make it like
14 minutes and it's 200 plus
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:degrees and it's just brutal.
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:And that will also.
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:Sort of take my HRV,
but I get great sleep.
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:So it's always like a lagging, like
two days, whatever the intervention
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:is that I do, it seems that it takes
two days for me to actually, for
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:the benefit to actually show up.
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:Yeah.
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:Um, and what I've, I've, I've
tried a lot of things lately.
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:Like I'm kind of a nerd.
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:I've got every single outlet
that has a light on it in my
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:place has black tape over it.
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:. I unplugged the wifi at night.
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:Um.
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:I mean, every, I unplug almost
everything except for the outlet that
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:charges my phone and my refrigerator.
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:Everything else gets unplugged.
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:Um, so there's like no signals coming
in and I, and I also, there's no
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:data that I have on this, but I also
think that when I leave, like when
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:I forget to unplug something, I'm
like, Oh man, that's what it was.
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:You know?
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:, yeah, yeah, the mind, uh, I, I wonder
how much of a role that plays that kind
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:of like, you know, get, get into your
head about like, if you're not doing
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:enough and, and yeah, I, because I
had an aura ring for a while and, uh.
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:It was the same deal.
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:It's almost like I sometimes I would get
a little bit too into the weeds of like
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:the data and then it's like, Oh, man,
like I would start thinking too much
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:about it and like, almost like stressing
it a little bit, you know, and then I was
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:like, All right, I mean, you need to just
like, chill out and just go to sleep.
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:Like, you'll be fine, you know, and,
you know, Just avoid the like major
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:things, you know, like don't eat too
close to bed, try to sleep in like
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:a cooler environment, like all that.
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:Um, have you tried or ring?
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:I haven't tried or I would like to,
um, I think, you know, it's interesting
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:with all of these trackers, like they
all, I think they all kind of have
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:the same problem with their customer.
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:And it's that there's two types of people.
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:There's the people that want the data and
they want to know, so they can make the
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:improvements and they can kind of self
coach, um, at least enough that they can.
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:They can see that data and then
interpret it using the, the wearables
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:platform or whatever they find online.
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:Um, and then there's the people that are
like, Whoa, this is stressing me out.
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:And what's funny is they all have
a trial period of like 30 days.
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:Which is really just enough to get,
like, just, that's just enough time
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:to understand what's not working.
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:It's not necessarily enough time to figure
out what is going to, like, work for you.
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:And so people will cancel their
trial while they're still in
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:the, like, I don't know if it is,
like, this is stressing me out.
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:Like, but you're really just
figuring out, like, what's working.
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:And, like, you're just figuring
out the pattern of, like, okay,
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:I'm consistently not getting enough
sleep because I'm eating too late.
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:Eating too late was, like, the
biggest one for me, and it still is.
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:Like I just, I'm kind of a nocturnal
person and I'm consistently trying to go
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:to bed earlier and eat earlier so that
I, you know, can do all of those things.
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:But I, my, my habit is
to eat late, be up late.
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:Sleep in late, like I'm
a bear is my chronotype.
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:So like, I just, I want to, you
know, sleep all morning basically.
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:It's kind of funny, isn't it?
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:That like the 30 day trial is just enough
time to know like what's not working.
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:And then that's like, I feel like
people dip out because they're stressed,
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:but like you're right at the edge
of where you can start to like tweak
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:it and actually get the benefit.
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:Yeah, I'm actually I'm a huge fan of
like anything that can truly track your
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:sleep because I don't like iPhone and
Like Fitbit and stuff like they have
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:tools for that, but I feel like they're
not as accurate I've seen a lot of people
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:say like some of their statistics on
it and it just doesn't really line up
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:whereas I feel like the aura ring and
stuff I hear from the whoop is like
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:It's pretty pretty freaking accurate.
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:And the only thing I didn't like
about aura ring Was the fact
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:that it's on your hand, right?
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:So like at the time I was, I was doing
air conditioning at the time, which is
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:like very obviously manual labor and uh,
I would be lifting super heavy things and
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:like sometimes like even my fingers would
get pinched in something and it's like.
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:The ring was kind of nice because it would
stop it from fully like clamping down on
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:my hand, but I'm pretty sure I put like
little micro fractures in the ring because
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:over time it started not, um, it started
to not hold a charge over time, which I'm
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:guessing is probably a mixture of like me
putting stress fractures on it and then
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:like dipping it in water or something.
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:So, um, that was my only
thing I didn't really like.
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:Whereas with the whoop,
it's on your wrist.
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:It's like a watch, you
know, which is much more.
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:Yeah, I think it's just kind of
like a better placement for it.
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:But, um, I, other than
that, I love the ordering.
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:I feel like everything that it
was doing was very beneficial.
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:And like you said, even, even the times
where I was like stressing out because I
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:Um, I still found that beneficial
because it's like you're really
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:trying to find that perfect window
of like what's working for you.
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:And having that knowledge
is super beneficial.
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:Sean.
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:And yeah, about like, I mean, people
have a difficult time with not eating
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:late at night, which can take more than
30 days to really break the habit, which
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:You know what I mean?
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:So for me, it's taking
more time than that.
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:I mean, it's, it's still, it's still
probably happens at least once a week.
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:And I know, like, I know it's, I'm like,
this is going to, this is going to tank.
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:And then I'll wake up the next morning
and I have like 54 percent recovery.
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:I'm like, well, you know,
that's why, like, I know.
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:But I like that it's consistently
showing me like, Hey, as long as you
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:continue to do these, behave this way
or do these things, you're going to
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:have these outputs that you don't like.
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:Like that's how it's going to work.
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:You know?
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:Like it's a good reinforcement for me.
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:You're like, okay.
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:Eventually I get to the point where I
go, okay, I don't want to wake up in the
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:L you know, in the yellow or the orange
and I want to, I want to feel good.
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:So yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:It's, it is.
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:It's extremely beneficial.
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:I think, um, it's with anything like.
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:What is a test, not guess, you know,
it's, yeah, it's, it's really the one
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:way of, of truly knowing what works.
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:But I w I was also, I was thinking
back to what you said with your, like
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:going home and then sleeping well and
like knowing that you're, you're home.
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:And I wonder if like, cause is
that your family home right there?
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:Like, is that like what you, the
house you grew up in pretty much?
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:Yeah.
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:I mean, been here for 15,
they've been here for 15 years.
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:Okay, cool.
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:Cause I was wondering,
I'm like, I wonder if.
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:It's just wherever your family
is that feels like home, right?
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:Like, like not necessarily your
childhood home, but rather like wherever
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:your parents are based out of and
just like going back to their house.
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:Like if you sleep better, just,
just knowing you're like in good
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:company, you know what I mean?
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:I bet that is the case.
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:Um, I bet if you could test it over
time that you would find that I
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:have a really interesting story.
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:So when I first started wearing,
um, the whoop, I like, you know,
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:the first week is basically just
getting a baseline established.
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:And then the second week, um, I was
having kind of a rough, or I had, I think
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:I had a decent week is what happened.
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:I had a decent week.
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:And then the third week
I had a rough week.
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:So I was like, I've
been doing really well.
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:And then I was like in the
yellow, wasn't recovering well,
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:working a ton, was traveling.
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:And I went.
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:Um, I had a full week and I, on a Friday
night, I had been invited to, um, still
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:life, this meditation studio in Venice.
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:I'd been doing their, their coaching
program and it was like their kind of
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:like a graduation ceremony for having
completed the six month program.
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:And it was everyone that was
in the program getting together
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:and having a dinner together.
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:And this was on a Friday.
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:I had had yellow recovery scores all
week and I had slept very little the
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:night before and it was a ridiculous,
like, it was like a 10 hour day that
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:I had got up and just worked straight
through hardly a, like, just no time.
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:And I almost canceled.
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:I almost didn't go.
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:And I was like, I really
want to see everybody.
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:I really want to say thank you to the
people that put the program together.
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:So I go in that evening, we have
the dinner and the next morning
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:I woke up and I was in the green.
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:My HIV was the highest
it had been in a week.
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:And the only thing that was different
the whole week was that I had spent
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:three hours that evening with people that
were like minded, that had just done the
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:same program as me, that were, what you
might say, like energetically matched.
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:That was the only thing
that was different.
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:Like I, I still ate kind of late.
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:I still like didn't nourish myself
properly throughout the day.
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:I had a crazy stressful day and I was
like, Whoa, that was the first time
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:where I was like, wow, there's a huge
impact on community and your autonomic
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:nervous system and the connection.
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:So how, how your nervous system
is responding to connection
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:and to feeling like you belong.
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:There's like a massive impact here
that I think we don't even really
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:understand the implication of yeah.
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:Yeah, I'm for sure I think you just
absolutely activated your parasympathetic
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:nervous system being around that group of
people and yeah Just feeling like you're
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:in a comfortable setting, you know and
able to like really just like let it go
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:and relax It could be a hard thing to
do especially at nighttime I think like
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:that's a time where people think a lot and
I think Um, like you mentioned doing the
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:sauna at night, that's a great opportunity
to first off just clear your head.
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:Like it's a meditative experience in
many ways, but I also, what was it like?
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:I know Huberman was talking about, um,
like temperature and cortisol or melatonin
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:release is like directly related.
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:So that's why when you have the
decrease in what was like one
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:degree body temperature, that's
what like starts to activate the
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:release of melatonin or something.
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:So I know that using a hot sauna as well
is like supposed to be really good for.
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:Going to bed because then your temperature
like your core body temperature will drop.
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:But yeah, super interesting stuff.
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:Um, yeah Yeah, I I think we
definitely need to test that.
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:Uh sleep and community and like
parasympathetic Relation like I
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:think there's a lot there Yeah, I'm
super, I'm super interested in that.
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:And I think that, um, it just seems like
sort of the trend going into:
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:I think 2024 is a year of the sauna.
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:Um, everyone, everyone's going to be
doing more sauna in:
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:have in their previous probably ever.
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:But, uh, at least people are
generation that that's the same.
380
:Um, I think 2024 is a year of
the sauna and I think also.
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:We're going to see that the trend of
social wellness is sticking like people
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:are, um, it's not just a novelty thing.
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:We're like, oh, I do this workout and
I do a cold plunge with my friends.
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:It's going to become like the
sticking point where people,
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:this is like what we do, like.
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:It's our tradition.
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:Uh, it's as much a tradition to go sauna
and plunge or, you know, do a workout and
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:then plunge with your friends as it is
to watch football on Sunday afternoon.
389
:I think it's going to like
really stick this year.
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:Yeah.
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:Yeah.
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:100%.
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:And I mean, you see it at all of
the gyms all around the place.
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:Like now, like, cold plunges are
becoming a very common thing.
395
:Whereas sauna used to, Be a pretty stand
like for the most part standard item, but
396
:now you're seeing the cold plunges getting
in there as well So it's kind of becoming
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:just this like added piece of health and
wellness where people are making it more
398
:of like not just a One time experience but
rather like a habit and a practice which
399
:is it's super cool and crazy beneficial I
like one of the things I love is a buddy
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:of mine did he's probably actually I think
he's almost at day 365 but he's doing
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:you know a full year of cold plunges And,
uh, one thing he said, he was like, ego
402
:plays like no role in this because he's
like, because there's times where I'll
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:go and I'm like, yeah, I got this dude.
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:I'm on day 300 of cold plunge.
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:Like this is easy, like
not an issue, you know?
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:He's like, and then you hop in
there and immediately like the cold
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:is just like, you're nobody dude.
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:You're like, I'm, I'm going to be
cold regardless of how strong you
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:are, of how many times you do this,
like it's going to hurt and suck
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:every single time you get in here.
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:And so it's just one of
those things where it's like.
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:Super humbling right and like of of all
the like health benefits that it poses
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:I think one of the best things is just
like it's it's gonna kick your ass every
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:single time And like it's gonna make you
very humble, you know, and like I love
415
:that, you know because you get start
to get strong lifting weights and then
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:You look cool, like lifting super heavy
stuff, but like what it doesn't matter.
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:I always say it's a great equalizer,
uh, because you know, like the person,
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:the person that is the loudest in
the room and the most confident is
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:typically going to have the, uh, the
sort of the worst reaction to it.
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:And then the person who's like,
who's kind of doubts themselves.
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:And it was like, I don't know that
typically they'll like tap in and you're
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:like, Whoa, where did that come from?
423
:You know, it's always
like, it's funny too.
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:It's.
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:It's oftentimes like the yoga girlies
that, you know, you'll see some,
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:someone that like, doesn't look
like they have the body type that
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:would be able to handle the cold.
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:And then they just drop in and
you're like, Whoa, that's incredible.
429
:You know, they're just like able
to mind over matter the whole
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:thing and connect to the breath.
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:And then you have someone who's,
who looks macho and looks like
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:they're going to be able to crush it.
433
:And then they're, they're having
a, you know, total panic attack.
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:Like it's so, it's so classic.
435
:That's how it goes.
436
:Yeah.
437
:And Dom, where, when did you
start doing cold plunges?
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:Like what, what got you into it?
439
:Yeah.
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:So my, my experience with cold
exposure is kind of interesting.
441
:I actually got really
interested in it in:
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:Um, I, 2018, I've been following
this guru, uh, in Los Angeles.
443
:His name was certified
health nut on Instagram.
444
:Troy Casey is his real name.
445
:And he would, he was doing all kinds of
education on Wim Hof method, and he was
446
:doing these um, ice baths in his backyard
and doing a lot of men's coaching.
447
:I was super interested in what he
was up to and just his holistic
448
:approach to health and wellness.
449
:He wrote a book called ripped at 50 and,
you know, at the time he's 50 years old.
450
:He looks phenomenal And I was
following him and I he was like a
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:little quirky and kind of comedic and
goofy And I was like, is he serious?
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:Like is this is this a gimmick
and in January of:
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:I was in a motorcycle wreck and
I was going through a sort of a
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:breakup with in my relationship and
there's a rough spot and I broke
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:my hand in the motorcycle wreck.
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:My relationship was a mess.
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:My life was just kind of chaotic.
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:And I was like, man, I
really need like some help.
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:I need to like, I felt emotionally
just completely blown out and afraid.
460
:I was like, I need help.
461
:So I, I called this guy up and I was
like, Hey, I want to work with you.
462
:And, um, I went and did this
coaching session with him and we
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:spent hours with him and we covered
everything from nutrition to sleep
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:to what he calls the four doctors.
465
:Um, and it kind of went through
like his whole method of
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:like, of holistic wellness.
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:And the last piece was like, I was like,
I really want to get into cold exposure.
468
:And he's like, would
you know how to breathe?
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:And I was like, I don't, I don't know.
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:And so he's like, well, let's,
let's do some breath work.
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:So we sit down and it was my first
time ever doing breath work and
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:he's got me doing breath of fire.
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:And I remember getting lightheaded,
like, you know, maybe 30 breaths in
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:and I'm like, Oh, that's, that's a lot.
475
:You know, that's, that's a lot.
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:And I was kind of embarrassed.
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:Like, this is crazy.
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:And he's like, no, you
got to keep breathing.
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:And I'm breathing intensely,
breathing, breathing, breathing,
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:breathing, you know, like this, right?
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:And I remember, like, I snotted a
little bit and he, like, grabbed a paper
482
:towel and, like, wiped my nose and,
like, wouldn't let me stop breathing.
483
:And then when I finally
stopped, I was like, Whoa, I
484
:mean, I felt like I was high.
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:I was like, this is out of control.
486
:And it was the container that he had
created and the space he created was
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:very powerful and I felt very like
comfortable to do what I was doing.
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:I was uncomfortable internally with
the experience, but he created a really
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:awesome environment for me to do this.
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:And.
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:I was like, man, that, whatever
that was, that was wild.
492
:And he's like, so you're
gonna do that every morning.
493
:You're going to do some, you know, basic
Qigong movements that he showed me.
494
:Um, and you do cold showers.
495
:And so I started doing these cold showers
and mind you, this motorcycle wreck I'd
496
:been in, I, my whole back was scabbed up.
497
:Like I pretty bad road rash.
498
:And so I'm like doing full showers in
the morning and like this, you know, it
499
:was so rough and very quickly within a
few days it went from being brutal, you
500
:know, just total dread in the morning
to like, wow, I feel really good.
501
:Like I feel like I can take
on the world when I do this.
502
:Um, and so I spent that whole year, 2018
touring with a country music artist.
503
:And, um, doing marketing on his tour
and I would do these cold showers in the
504
:morning, sort of as like a hangover cure.
505
:So I was like biohacking my way through
like this whiskey, you know, door
506
:and Friday night, Saturday night,
you're out doing the whole thing.
507
:And then, you know, you're taking
cold showers in the morning
508
:and be like, I'm still alive.
509
:I still got it, you know?
510
:Um, and that was kind of the, that
was the kind of my entry to it.
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:And I, I, uh.
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:I really found it to be transformative
and helpful to me in my mindset.
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:I felt really good.
514
:And so I was using them cold showers
consistently, and I was doing them for
515
:weeks at a time, um, without any break.
516
:And it was just kind of a biohack
and it wasn't much more than that.
517
:But I think it planted the seed
of like what happened next.
518
:And that was, you know, the pandemic
happening, the pandemic happening.
519
:I sobered up.
520
:I quit drinking alcohol, any
form and, um, dedicated myself
521
:to cold showers every day.
522
:And I was using that as
a tool because I knew.
523
:I, I was already struggling with
depression, but I knew that this was going
524
:to be a good thing for me just to have
the discipline of doing the hard thing.
525
:And as I was getting sober and
as I was drying out, um, a lot
526
:of things started showing up for
me that I had never addressed.
527
:Things that just, I never was even
conscious of like, Hey, this is something
528
:that, you know, you need to heal.
529
:That was, that was underlying in my life.
530
:And the cold seemed to be a way for me
to like, just navigate those feelings
531
:and it was like giving me a reset.
532
:So instead of feeling like, you
know, stress or anxious, I was
533
:like, I actually feel really
good if I do this in the morning.
534
:So that's how I got started.
535
:Um, and then it, you know, led to.
536
:Where I'm at now, or, uh, it's been a
very transformative thing in my life.
537
:Yeah.
538
:Yeah.
539
:It's uh, it's really like an interesting
process there with, with the ice
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:and, and cold plunges and all that.
541
:And I know Wim Hof has, has a, a story
as well behind his whole experience
542
:with using the cold as a teacher.
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:But I really do think that one of
the, the most beneficial things
544
:about like a cold plunge as well,
is that if you're going through
545
:like a difficult time, a depressive
time, whatever it might be is like.
546
:You're kind of stuck in this, uh, this
mentality, this, like, physical feeling
547
:where, like, you just don't feel good,
you know, and it's hard to shake that
548
:feeling, it's hard to, like, change your
mindset and elevate your, your vibra
549
:your, your vibration and frequency and
all that to, like, a higher form, um, and
550
:I think what's cool about the cold plunge
is, like, if you do a cold plunge for 90
551
:seconds, 3 minutes, whatever it is, You're
going to come out of that and you're
552
:going to be radically changed because
you radically changed your physical
553
:environment and that, you know, shifts
the neuroepinephrine levels to a point
554
:where you're going to feel amazing, right?
555
:And so it's going to kind of like, get
you into this state where you can start
556
:feeling better and thinking better.
557
:And I think that.
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:That kind of sets like a cascade for
you to then start doing that internal
559
:work and feeling better about yourself
and, and looking at yourself and, and
560
:the issues you're going through in a
better light, not one that's going to
561
:like bring you down more, but rather
you'll be able to look at it and
562
:see like, where are you going wrong?
563
:And what, what do you need to fix?
564
:And what do you need to do better?
565
:Um, and I think that's so important.
566
:And, and, you know, physical movement
is a way of doing that as well.
567
:Just anything that gets you and your
body moving and feeling better to
568
:break up that cycle, because it's.
569
:If you sit in that depressive state,
it's just going to eat you alive, you
570
:know, and you're going to continue to
wallow in it and it's going to continue
571
:to take you down and down and down.
572
:And, uh, you know, especially if you're
surrounded with people that aren't helping
573
:to uplift you and do things for you.
574
:So I feel like the cold plunge, I
mean, it's great for many things,
575
:but really it is such a, it's
an internal practice as well.
576
:You have to, you have to still the mind.
577
:It's going to make you
feel great afterwards.
578
:It's, it's doing a good chunk of the
work, you know, and then, um, you
579
:know, of course then you do, you have
to, you have to get real with yourself
580
:afterwards and still think about,
you know, what you're going through.
581
:But I, I just, I like the fact
that it really pulls you out
582
:of that state, like physically.
583
:And, uh, if any, for anyone that's
done a cold plunge, like, you know,
584
:the high you feel for like two to four
hours afterwards is it's incredible.
585
:So, um, yeah, I can only imagine
that that was a huge benefit for you.
586
:Yeah, it definitely was.
587
:I like what you're saying too.
588
:You know, like there's exercise, exercise
for sure that creates a state change,
589
:goal plunging creates a state change.
590
:I think that's the most important thing
when you're, when you're in a, you
591
:know, being depressed is just a state.
592
:You're just in a depressed state, right?
593
:Being anxious is a state.
594
:Like you are not anxiety.
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:You are not depression.
596
:Like that's not who you are.
597
:Um, it's something you're experiencing.
598
:It's a state that you're in.
599
:And, um, just the same as, uh, you know,
feeling powerful is a state and it's up to
600
:you to cultivate that state for yourself
and to be in that, in that energetic
601
:state and in that energetic position.
602
:And when you do things that, um,
limited or, or basically, you know,
603
:um, take away your ability to enable
yourself to do those things, then
604
:you're going to feel powerless.
605
:You're going to feel like you
put yourself in a situation
606
:where you're powerless a lot.
607
:You're going to feel powerless if
you put yourself in a situation
608
:where you feel powerful, you're like,
wow, I actually feel really good.
609
:I'm proud of myself for overcoming that
challenging thing and that's the merit
610
:behind exercise and plunge and even
doing sauna to the point of urgency.
611
:Which I talk a lot about
is like understanding what
612
:urgency feels like in the body.
613
:When I coach people through sauna
and cold and even exercise now, at
614
:what point are you feeling like you
urgently need to get out and what
615
:does that feel like in your body?
616
:And then understanding that
then allows you to push that a
617
:little bit further down the road.
618
:So like, okay, I feel urgent right now.
619
:I'm going to connect to my breath.
620
:I'm going to slow my breathing down.
621
:I'm going to consciously navigate this.
622
:And then you're like, Oh, that, that
feeling of urgency kind of goes away
623
:and then it's going to come back again.
624
:And then you go, okay,
that's what that feels like.
625
:Pass it.
626
:Eventually you have to get out.
627
:Right?
628
:It's too hot.
629
:In the case of Asana, it's
too cold and cold plunging.
630
:You've got to get out for your own
safety, but the first one to three waves
631
:of urgency are definitely not going to
put you in, in the risk of, of danger.
632
:Like you can absolutely get past that
first one, one to three waves of urgency.
633
:And that's a great place to start
to figure out that threshold of
634
:like, how do I respond to that?
635
:To, you know, stress or this feeling
in the moment and then that parlays
636
:into work, your social life, you got
to talk to your boss about something
637
:that's, you know, not going great or
your relationship, you need to bring
638
:up something that, you know, needs to
be addressed or even with your parents,
639
:there's something that you need to
talk about, you urgently feel like
640
:you don't want to do it, you know, and
then you like really do need to do it.
641
:It gives you the ability to,
um, navigate those, those
642
:situations and those scenarios.
643
:Yeah.
644
:Yeah.
645
:And I mean, I think also the
mind is just so like, it wants to
646
:keep the body comfortable, like
that's safe, safe and comfortable.
647
:Yeah.
648
:Right.
649
:And I mean, like most of our
technology that we have right now
650
:is I feel like purely based on
convenience and comfortability.
651
:And, uh, which is nice.
652
:It's definitely nice.
653
:But, uh, yeah, it's, it's interesting
to notice that how the mind will work.
654
:And like the second you get into the
cold plunge, like you'll see it on
655
:people's faces when they don't expect it.
656
:And they're like, Oh my God,
like I need to get out of here.
657
:And it's just that immediate
like first thought.
658
:And, uh, I think in most situations,
that first thought that arises,
659
:it's usually not the best thought.
660
:Like, it's usually not even like,
Like when you should really act on
661
:you should usually like sit with that
for a couple seconds and see like
662
:like analyze that and go from there.
663
:Um, and I know like I was, uh, I
became certified as a yoga instructor
664
:and like the last 11 days of our
training was purely meditation.
665
:And so we would do these, uh,
like 2 hour morning sessions and
666
:then we would do a 4 hour, uh,
evening session and, uh, I've like.
667
:Literally before that probably meditated
like 30 minutes in one session, you
668
:know, so there's nothing like that
And I just remember in the four hour
669
:sessions like your mind wants to talk
so badly and just give you thoughts
670
:that it there were times where I would
be meditating and I would have The most
671
:vivid random memories of my childhood,
like me buying ice cream from the ice
672
:cream man and I could remember like the
exact cost of the ice cream and like just
673
:everything like down to the T and it was
just like, why, why am I thinking this?
674
:But it was like the brain
was just trying to give you
675
:anything that it possibly could.
676
:And so it's just wild how how that
works and like finding out that you can
677
:kind of become like a master of that
and not get like tied up in the it.
678
:Thoughts that it's just throwing your
way, you know, and like not all of
679
:them are really the best ones like I
think uh cold plunge is is super good
680
:for that as well because it you have
to you have to like You have to ignore
681
:that first thought of like, Oh my God,
get out of this water immediately.
682
:This is a bad idea.
683
:And same with heat.
684
:You know, if once you get that,
that first threshold of, you know,
685
:resistance, wherever that is, like
it could be six minutes in or 10
686
:minutes in depending on how hot it is.
687
:You, but when you hit that first
wave of like, Oh, it's too hot.
688
:Like I really, I think, uh, cold has
become easier for me to navigate.
689
:He is still pretty challenging for me.
690
:Like I, I really want to get
out when I want to get out.
691
:And so it's a good, it's almost like
the cold points all over again for me.
692
:Cause it gives me the chance to
like push through that and be
693
:like, Nope, you're staying in here.
694
:You know.
695
:Yeah, I love it.
696
:That's so cool.
697
:And sorry, Dom.
698
:I know like, um, you had for the
listeners who don't know, like, I
699
:know this obviously, but, um, you
had open heart surgery, correct?
700
:Like, not that long ago.
701
:Yeah.
702
:Um, about, I guess, over 10 months
ago now, um, open heart surgery.
703
:So I had my aortic valve
and my aortic root replaced.
704
:Um, and I was, so I was born
with a, uh, a heart condition.
705
:I had what was called a bicuspid valve.
706
:So most people would have,
um, Um, like three leaflets.
707
:I had two on my aorta
and I live a great life.
708
:I had a, um, an emergency
surgery as an infant.
709
:I had a repair done.
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:And then I lived this great life where
I really had minimal restrictions.
711
:I was physically fit, physically active.
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:Um, and I was able to do,
you know, a lot of things.
713
:And, um, I knew that the day would
come where I would have to have the
714
:surgery and I'd have this, um, aorta.
715
:Valve and this replacement surgery.
716
:I did not know about the
root needing to be replaced.
717
:I didn't even know that was a thing.
718
:And so my story is in 2020 when the
pandemic hit, I really struggled with
719
:depression, a state of depression
and a state of anxiety and a state
720
:of feeling like I had kind of failed
my, my business was not doing well.
721
:I hadn't set myself up financially.
722
:I had to move out of this apartment
that I'd worked very hard, you know,
723
:to live in, in Venice, California,
and I had to move in with my parents.
724
:I was 31 and I really just kind of felt
like I had wasted my entire twenties.
725
:I had done a lot of fun stuff and a
lot of cool stuff, but I felt like
726
:I didn't have any real work to show
for, um, what I, what I'd done.
727
:And there was a series of
situations that kind of.
728
:The way they all landed at, I
was in a very, very rough spot.
729
:I was incredibly broke.
730
:I was in debt and I had to make
the tough call of like, all right,
731
:I have to basically start over.
732
:And in that time I really struggled
with, um, even wanting to, you
733
:know, be alive and continue.
734
:I, I wanted to just tap out.
735
:I was like, well, it's too hard.
736
:It's just too challenging.
737
:Like, I don't feel like I, I don't think
I have it in me to, to do this again.
738
:And I was able to find,
um, a reason to keep going.
739
:And a huge piece of that was consistently
doing, you know, uh, cold exposure,
740
:consistently exercising, really focusing
on the nutrition I put in my body.
741
:Those things really added up.
742
:Um, and I was able to pretty
quickly get out of that state.
743
:Like within a few months I was able to get
out of that state and kind of completely
744
:reframe like who I was, my whole identity.
745
:I got incredibly strong,
worked out like nonstop.
746
:I had a great, um, trainer that I was
working out with and put on a muscle
747
:like I've never put on before, put on
strength like I've never had, but on
748
:endurance that I'd never had before.
749
:And then one day in the gym, mind
you, this is, this is now:
750
:So it's.
751
:Maybe six months after this whole
ordeal where I've been super depressed.
752
:I've like come out of it And I've
now really found this a new identity
753
:and being Fit and strong and capable.
754
:And I had this moment in the gym where
I, I thought I was having a heart attack.
755
:I was like, I'm having a
stroke or a heart attack.
756
:Something's happening.
757
:My vision's blurred.
758
:And I walked up to the front counter
at the, at the gym and walking.
759
:It was like in those movies where people
were intoxicated, you know, and it's like
760
:the whole screen's kinda like shifting.
761
:And you're like, whoa, whoa.
762
:And I got there and I
held onto the counter.
763
:And the guy that works at the gym,
he's like, you need something?
764
:And I just stared at him and
I was like, I don't know.
765
:And he was like, what?
766
:He's like, all right, well, let
me know if you need something.
767
:I was like, okay.
768
:But in my mind, I was like,
do I have this guy call 911?
769
:Like what's happening?
770
:Um, and I'm like raising my right arm.
771
:I'm like, okay, so it's not a stroke.
772
:Like I got my face, you know,
like what's, what's happening?
773
:I'm having a heart attack.
774
:And so I went over to my gym bag.
775
:I always carry aspirin with me
and I chewed up a couple aspirin.
776
:And I was like, all right,
I guess I'll be okay.
777
:And I recovered, but I didn't feel right.
778
:All the blood drained out of my face.
779
:My face was white.
780
:Didn't feel right.
781
:Went home, slept for 14 hours.
782
:Woke up the next morning,
still didn't feel right.
783
:I was like, something's way, way off here.
784
:Um, so I called my cardiologist,
went and saw my cardiologist.
785
:And found out that I had
this aneurysm in my aorta.
786
:And they're like, hey, we don't know what
that whole thing was that just happened.
787
:The whole incident.
788
:But what we do know is that
you can't lift weights anymore.
789
:And.
790
:You're going to need
surgery sooner than later.
791
:And it was a total gut punch because
here I am, you know, six months into
792
:this sort of healing journey and, you
know, feeling like this new person, like
793
:the world's in front, the world's my
oyster, like my mindset's strong, I can
794
:do whatever I can take on any challenge.
795
:And then it's like, Oh, the
big challenge now is like.
796
:This whole identity that you've
just created, that's not who
797
:you're going to be anymore.
798
:You know, the doctor's saying like
explicitly don't lift more than
799
:40 pounds, you know, and I'm, I
was like really proud of my head.
800
:Like I just binged 205 the other day.
801
:Like, you know, like I'm
hitting new records here.
802
:Like I'm doing great.
803
:And he's like, yeah, you can't do that.
804
:That feeling was, You know, just
like, Whoa, who, who are you now?
805
:Like, what are you, what's even the point.
806
:And right, right there, it goes right
back to that feeling of like, okay,
807
:I want to tap out, you know, like,
what's, what's the point of doing this.
808
:And I, and I let myself
feel that for maybe a day.
809
:And then I was like, no, I made a
commitment to myself that no matter how
810
:hard things get, like, so then that's
where the mindset really came in.
811
:And I was working with a
mindset coach at the time.
812
:And that was an important, important
piece of this whole story is.
813
:Um, as I was getting out of debt, as
I was working and building my, my life
814
:back, I had the option to be a little
bit more comfortable or to spend the
815
:extra money and work with a coach.
816
:And I decided to invest money
into coaching and continue
817
:living at my parents for free.
818
:Um, which thank God that I had
parents that would let me live
819
:with them, um, in my thirties.
820
:But, uh, that, that was an important
piece cause I didn't know that
821
:obviously this heart thing was going
to come down the pipeline like that.
822
:And when I hit that point, I think
if I hadn't had the coach, it
823
:really would have, I think it would
have been a lot harder for me.
824
:I don't know what I would have done,
but I was able to take that moment and
825
:go, okay, this is going to be fuel.
826
:Like if I signed up for this
challenging life, then this is the
827
:challenge that's in front of me.
828
:And like, I get to take this on, like I
get to take this on, I get to overcome it.
829
:And so I moved back to Los Angeles
and I joined a startup and the
830
:startup failed within five months.
831
:And I was like, man, this road is just
getting tough, you know, like I, I know
832
:the surgery is coming down the pipeline,
mind you, I was still working out, but
833
:I was no longer lifting heavyweights.
834
:I was doing pretty, pretty lightweight
workouts, doing some hit, doing some
835
:cardio stuff, but I was, I was watching,
watching it, um, started this ice
836
:bath company doing concierge guided
ice bath experiences in Los Angeles.
837
:And, um, a couple months into that
siness starting now, now it's:
838
:So it's been two full years since
I had my sort of depressive moment.
839
:It's been a year since I found out about.
840
:My, um, aortic aneurysm, I
find out that, uh, my valve,
841
:my heart valve is now failing.
842
:Like, oh man, like, now it's real, like,
because you can kind of sneak by with
843
:aneurysm if you're not lifting heavy
weights, like, just see what happens.
844
:But then when the valve starts to
fail, then it's like you're going to
845
:end up in heart failure eventually.
846
:And so the doctor recommended
surgery within three to six months.
847
:And I was like, all right, let's
see if I can get through the summer.
848
:And so I, I just poured the
gas on and I worked like crazy.
849
:I did events nonstop.
850
:I did, um, as much as I possibly
could getting my brand and
851
:my new business out there.
852
:And I didn't tell anyone about it.
853
:I just kept doing my thing.
854
:And, um, yeah, I found it to be
very fulfilling and then I finally
855
:hit a point where I, you know,
could, could really notice that,
856
:Hey, I'm, I'm not in good health.
857
:Like I'd have to like take a minute and
catch my breath, like put my hands on my
858
:knees and you know, that kind of thing.
859
:Like you're doing these deep
breaths, trying to catch your breath,
860
:shortness of breath was crazy.
861
:Um, a lot of, you know, you
get lightheaded and weird heart
862
:palpitations and just feeling
like you can't keep up that, that
863
:started happening more and more.
864
:Yeah.
865
:And, um, I eventually, you know, I
said, all right, let's do this surgery.
866
:And so I had the surgery last year
in:
867
:I had a great surgeon and,
um, I'm fully recovered now.
868
:Yeah, dude.
869
:I mean, amazing and happy.
870
:Everything went smooth for you.
871
:And it's crazy.
872
:Cause like to hear the backstory, I
was just seeing from my end, like,
873
:yeah, you were just going after it.
874
:Like, you know, I had had zero idea about
what was going on behind the scenes, but.
875
:Really happy everything worked out
and I mean, uh, like just out of
876
:curiosity it with your heart condition
Like were you able to still do
877
:like ice baths and sauna sessions?
878
:Did you have to take it
easy with those as well?
879
:Yeah, so that's really interesting
thing I think there's more and more
880
:research coming out now and people
have a better like doctors have a
881
:better opinion on it You definitely
are going to have an increase in
882
:blood pressure when you do a plunge.
883
:It's going to, your blood
pressure is going to go up.
884
:Especially if you do breathwork first.
885
:You know, if you're doing like a Wim
your blood pressure is going to increase.
886
:You're going to have a
higher blood pressure number.
887
:And it's going to come back down, and
over time, if you do this consistently,
888
:over time, it's going to actually lower
your, your average blood pressure.
889
:So it's, the long term effect is great.
890
:Short term effect is, it's, it's an
acute moment of increased blood pressure.
891
:That was a huge concern for me having
the aneurysm because you, you know,
892
:you're worried that if you have too high
a blood pressure that this thing could
893
:eventually burst or you could die, right?
894
:And so if anyone has a heart condition,
um, or specifically an aneurysm or
895
:anything that's related to high blood
pressure, uh, cold plunging is probably
896
:not advised and, you know, extreme
breathwork, like a holotropic breathwork.
897
:Also proceed with caution, um, things
you don't have to do those types of
898
:breath work to, to get the benefit.
899
:You can do slow breathing and you can
do other, other techniques that are a
900
:little more parasympathetic and not,
not going to quite increase it as much.
901
:Um, the same thing with cold,
you don't need to do it as cold.
902
:So what I found was.
903
:I was having what's called these,
um, pre ventricle contractions.
904
:They, it's basically like the muscle
squeezing kind of like a little bit off.
905
:So it's, it's not arrhythmia,
but it's just the contractions
906
:happening a little bit off.
907
:And it feels gross.
908
:Like you can feel it for me,
I feel it like in my throat.
909
:It feels kind of like a
rollercoaster, like a whoop dee
910
:doo, like, Oh, not a good feeling.
911
:And when I would plunge, that
would happen pretty consistently.
912
:And so I found myself doing.
913
:Um, less plunging, but also the, you know,
or ice baths, but the, the thing that I
914
:really noticed was, um, how rested I was
going into it totally, uh, changed how
915
:stressful the environment was and how
well my heart could handle the stress.
916
:So that was really interesting thing
for me to notice as a coach was like,
917
:Oh, if I'm, if I'm not rested or if
I'm stressed going into this, it's
918
:significantly more stressful on my body.
919
:Um, that was the first thing.
920
:The second thing was diet.
921
:If I, and I was doing a lot of.
922
:A lot of stuff where I would fast in
the morning and be kind of kind of
923
:doing a keto diet and fast a lot and
then I would, you know, eat in a short
924
:eight hour window or a six hour window.
925
:And that also made it worse for
me, um, if I, if I plunged without
926
:having carbohydrates in my system.
927
:So I found that, um, if I had
fuel in my system, it seemed to
928
:be like less of an impact on me.
929
:But if I, if I was going and fasted,
it was noticeably more strenuous.
930
:Um, and that's my, my personal experience.
931
:I'm not sure if everyone else feels
that way, but I think there's definitely
932
:a correlation to like your blood
sugar levels, blood glucose levels.
933
:and how basically your entire system is,
is responding to the stressor of cold,
934
:especially when it's like super cold.
935
:And by super cold, I mean
like under 40 degrees.
936
:Um, I think it's, it can be, it can
definitely be taxing on the heart.
937
:And when your heart's healthy,
that's good because it's going,
938
:it's going to improve your HRV.
939
:So that heart rate variability is going
to change your ability for your heart
940
:rate to come down and then go up high
and adjust to these different stimuli.
941
:I think that's really, really important.
942
:Donna has been shown to do
that, you know, as well.
943
:And it's.
944
:Um, yeah, I definitely had to slow
down a little bit and that first
945
:plunge coming back from the surgery,
that was, that was the one that I was,
946
:I find the most nervous for that of
any plunge in my entire life, to be
947
:honest, like I've jumped in icy cold
lakes and rivers and broken the ice
948
:and, you know, done the whole thing.
949
:I think that was the, the toughest one
coming back from the surgery because I
950
:was like, Oh man, like, am I going to
have that kind of sickening feeling that
951
:I was having before or like, I love this.
952
:Practice.
953
:I love doing this thing and I know
it's good for me and I, it's truthfully
954
:saved my life because it's put me
in this right mindset so many times.
955
:And I've used it as such a, like
a tool and I was really concerned.
956
:Like, what if I get in and like, I
feel that again and I can't do it.
957
:You know, doctors are like, you
know, they don't really know.
958
:They're like, yeah, if it, if it
makes you not feel good, don't do it.
959
:No, they're not.
960
:They're not a proponent of like, yeah,
you're going to get a 250 percent increase
961
:in dopamine and you're going to get all
this norepinephrine and then all of these
962
:other mechanisms are going to happen.
963
:You're going to feel great and you're
going to feel motivated and you're
964
:going to burn brown fat and like.
965
:They don't care.
966
:They're not going to
say anything about that.
967
:They're like, yeah, don't, don't
do it if it doesn't feel good.
968
:And so here I am like, okay,
you know, this one, I was
969
:like, handled it pretty well.
970
:I did like a two minute plunge.
971
:I think it was 45 degrees.
972
:And I shivered uncontrollably
for like 30 minutes.
973
:I was like, you know, like it was
like starting over completely.
974
:Um, which was pretty wild.
975
:Um, and part of that, what I
didn't know is part of that is
976
:after a major surgery like that,
you're especially a heart surgery.
977
:You can have a hard time
regulating temperature.
978
:And I actually had that, I had a
very rare reaction to the surgery.
979
:When your heart sac is punctured, um, from
a surgery pericardium, you can develop
980
:this Very odd, uh, autoimmune response
where your heart, your basically your body
981
:thinks that your heart is being attacked
by a virus and it'll basically fire up
982
:your, you know, defense mechanism of a
fever to try to kill whatever that is.
983
:But the truth is, you just have some
inflammation because you, it was, you
984
:know, cut or punctured from the surgery.
985
:And so I had these crazy in the
hospital, I had these crazy fevers
986
:that were happening like, you know,
days after the surgery and these fevers
987
:would come on right about sunset.
988
:And as soon as it's getting
dark, I have these crazy fevers,
989
:shivering uncontrollably, sweating
uncontrollably, so uncomfortable.
990
:And the nurses, um, in the, in the,
like the cardiac recovery ward that
991
:I was in, they misdiagnosed it.
992
:They thought that I was having
an allergic reaction to the
993
:narcotic drugs, the painkillers.
994
:And they're like, Hey, like the
only way to navigate this is like,
995
:you gotta come off of them or
like just deal with the fevers.
996
:And I was like, I, I
can't do these fevers.
997
:Like I have to, is your,
your sternum has been split.
998
:So you're imagine shivering
uncontrollably with like, you know,
999
:your entire chest has been split open.
:
00:52:04,183 --> 00:52:05,923
I was like, yeah, I, I
can't do this anymore.
:
00:52:05,983 --> 00:52:10,813
And it was so bad that, um, you have
to wear these, these EKG monitors, you
:
00:52:10,813 --> 00:52:13,593
know, they have the stickies all over
your chest and they're, they're doing
:
00:52:13,913 --> 00:52:15,773
a nine point or 12 point lead on you.
:
00:52:15,783 --> 00:52:19,453
I think it's a nine point, uh, lead
nine, nine, you know, points of
:
00:52:19,453 --> 00:52:24,343
contact that you measure your, all
your vitals, um, and your heart.
:
00:52:24,653 --> 00:52:25,143
Rhythms.
:
00:52:26,433 --> 00:52:28,953
And I would sweat those things off
like three, four times a night.
:
00:52:29,773 --> 00:52:30,643
Oh my God.
:
00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:34,203
And they'd have to like, come in and like,
dry me off and like restate, reapply them.
:
00:52:34,743 --> 00:52:37,993
And on the fourth night
I was like, I'm done.
:
00:52:38,103 --> 00:52:41,553
Like, take, take me
off of this painkiller.
:
00:52:41,573 --> 00:52:44,193
I'm just going to face this
thing with Tylenol alone.
:
00:52:44,663 --> 00:52:45,943
So I had Tylenol.
:
00:52:46,493 --> 00:52:52,503
And, um, that was it and it was like,
it was like a pain cave moment for sure,
:
00:52:53,033 --> 00:52:57,483
where you just kind of enter another
dimension of like existence, right?
:
00:52:57,493 --> 00:53:03,703
The pain is so extreme because I
still had the fever, had no painkiller
:
00:53:04,073 --> 00:53:07,933
and I'm shivering uncontrollably
and it was kind of like, I see.
:
00:53:07,933 --> 00:53:10,803
It's like, that was my David
Goggins moment of like the hurt me.
:
00:53:10,803 --> 00:53:15,983
Like, when, once I wrap my head around,
it's Okay, this, this isn't going to
:
00:53:15,983 --> 00:53:21,013
get any easier, but like, also, you
can't, I don't think you could hurt me
:
00:53:21,013 --> 00:53:22,793
more than how much this hurts right now.
:
00:53:24,043 --> 00:53:24,633
This is it.
:
00:53:24,643 --> 00:53:31,553
Like this is, I've tapped into a
new threshold and I, I, um, I kept
:
00:53:31,553 --> 00:53:34,343
getting up in the middle of the night
cause I was still sweating through.
:
00:53:34,713 --> 00:53:36,683
You know, all my clothes and
the sheets and they changed
:
00:53:36,683 --> 00:53:38,243
the bedding 3 times that night.
:
00:53:38,743 --> 00:53:41,723
And the 4th time that they came
in, I was like, I'm getting up
:
00:53:41,913 --> 00:53:42,943
and I'm, I'm going to stay up.
:
00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:49,373
So, it was 4 am and I think it's like
4 30 am and the sunrise at the time.
:
00:53:49,373 --> 00:53:50,043
This is the last year.
:
00:53:50,043 --> 00:53:51,143
The sunrise is it's.
:
00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:52,433
close to 8 AM.
:
00:53:53,713 --> 00:53:55,563
And I was like, I'm just going
to stay up for the sunrise.
:
00:53:55,603 --> 00:53:59,663
And so I just sat in the dark and just
looked out these mountains that I grew
:
00:53:59,663 --> 00:54:02,633
up looking at, you know, in my hometown
and I'm just sitting in the hospital.
:
00:54:02,683 --> 00:54:06,263
Thankfully I had this window, I had this
amazing window that looks out towards,
:
00:54:06,983 --> 00:54:11,113
um, The East where the sun comes up right
behind these mountains, and I grew up
:
00:54:11,113 --> 00:54:14,193
hiking these mountains and running them
and doing tons of activities on them.
:
00:54:14,223 --> 00:54:18,063
You know, I think this is my home and
I'm just sitting there waiting for it.
:
00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:22,023
And the sun finally came up and it was
like, such a moment of victory for me
:
00:54:22,093 --> 00:54:26,843
because I mentally had overcome, you
know, I was still physically extremely,
:
00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:28,673
but mentally overcome this moment.
:
00:54:29,003 --> 00:54:32,663
Um, and the sun came up and I was
like, man, life gets better, you know,
:
00:54:32,663 --> 00:54:37,643
and then she got out of the hospital
that day, went home that day and.
:
00:54:38,198 --> 00:54:40,858
Stayed off of the painkillers
and, uh, made a full recovery.
:
00:54:41,668 --> 00:54:42,348
Jeez.
:
00:54:42,548 --> 00:54:47,578
I, I can only imagine
what that would feel like.
:
00:54:47,828 --> 00:54:53,728
First off, having your sternum split
open is gotta be insanely painful.
:
00:54:53,748 --> 00:54:56,938
But then on top of that, the
shivers, where it's this full
:
00:54:56,938 --> 00:54:59,103
body uncontrollable shake.
:
00:54:59,613 --> 00:55:04,083
Like, oh my god, that's, yeah,
that's gotta be so terribly painful.
:
00:55:04,913 --> 00:55:08,883
The craziest part is the, uh,
the cardiologist comes in, you
:
00:55:08,883 --> 00:55:11,793
know, discharged me later that,
that, that day and he's like,
:
00:55:12,553 --> 00:55:13,823
They didn't give you ibuprofen?
:
00:55:14,378 --> 00:55:17,188
I was like, they said I couldn't have
it because of, you know, the valve.
:
00:55:17,248 --> 00:55:19,048
And they're like, no,
it's a different surgery.
:
00:55:19,048 --> 00:55:19,858
You can totally have it.
:
00:55:20,888 --> 00:55:21,038
Wow.
:
00:55:21,133 --> 00:55:24,788
They'll, they'll, it'll reduce the fever
and it'll make the shivers less bad.
:
00:55:25,598 --> 00:55:26,948
And I was like, are you, you kidding?
:
00:55:26,948 --> 00:55:28,898
Like, yeah, just don't, just
don't take it with the Tylenol.
:
00:55:28,988 --> 00:55:31,738
And I'm like, they're like, you
wanna go back on the Dilaudid?
:
00:55:31,738 --> 00:55:34,828
And I was like, at this point I've
already been off of it for 16 hours.
:
00:55:34,833 --> 00:55:35,458
Like, I'm good.
:
00:55:35,898 --> 00:55:36,198
Yeah.
:
00:55:36,203 --> 00:55:38,298
I'm just going to, I'll
just get through it now.
:
00:55:38,298 --> 00:55:38,718
You know?
:
00:55:39,258 --> 00:55:39,588
Yeah.
:
00:55:40,888 --> 00:55:41,578
. Oh my God.
:
00:55:41,578 --> 00:55:42,628
That's crazy, man.
:
00:55:42,808 --> 00:55:43,379
Yeah, it's, uh.
:
00:55:44,068 --> 00:55:48,718
The whole, the whole issue with the heart,
um, kind of makes me curious with my
:
00:55:48,718 --> 00:55:52,468
dad as well, because, uh, I don't think,
yeah, my dad's ever done a cold plunge.
:
00:55:52,478 --> 00:55:58,448
He's done a lot of sauna, but he, uh,
probably like 20 years ago now, I want
:
00:55:58,448 --> 00:56:03,258
to say maybe 15, he was diagnosed with,
um, I don't even know what the proper
:
00:56:03,258 --> 00:56:05,348
term is for it, but half of his heart.
:
00:56:05,608 --> 00:56:11,878
Works more than the other half does and
so, um, he gets like irregular heartbeats
:
00:56:12,188 --> 00:56:16,278
uh you know just if he puts his hand
on his heart sometimes he can listen to
:
00:56:16,278 --> 00:56:22,503
and it's just like Doom, doom, doom, you
know, kind of like a real offbeat one.
:
00:56:22,503 --> 00:56:26,893
And, um, over time, what's wild
is he's actually, so he was taking
:
00:56:26,893 --> 00:56:31,063
medication for a while for it
and saw no improvement with it.
:
00:56:31,783 --> 00:56:35,773
And then he radically changed his diet.
:
00:56:35,823 --> 00:56:39,343
Like, I mean, I don't want to give myself
like major kudos here, but for sure, I was
:
00:56:39,343 --> 00:56:41,093
providing him with a lot of information.
:
00:56:42,373 --> 00:56:42,623
Yeah.
:
00:56:42,623 --> 00:56:45,933
And, and just, you know, talk, telling
him about all these different health hacks
:
00:56:45,933 --> 00:56:51,083
that he can do, um, started having him
take a bunch of raw cacao, which has a
:
00:56:51,083 --> 00:56:54,233
lot of just heart healthy, uh, minerals.
:
00:56:54,393 --> 00:56:54,823
Yeah.
:
00:56:54,823 --> 00:56:56,523
Super, super beneficial for the heart.
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00:56:56,883 --> 00:57:00,203
Um, and yeah, so he started changing
his lifestyle, changing his diet.
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00:57:00,553 --> 00:57:04,953
Taking the cacao and along with a bunch
of other things and um, I mean, I never
:
00:57:04,953 --> 00:57:09,953
advised him to do this He's just kind
of a freaking maverick sometimes and he
:
00:57:09,953 --> 00:57:13,933
decided to stop taking his medications
Which I don't advise of course, like
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00:57:13,933 --> 00:57:18,863
I'm not yeah, not telling anyone to do
that, but he did and Anyways, he was
:
00:57:18,863 --> 00:57:23,383
just kind of changing his lifestyle and
I I don't know what the measurements
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00:57:23,393 --> 00:57:28,618
are But I just know that he was at a
10% In terms of like, very bad right?
:
00:57:28,618 --> 00:57:29,908
And like a hundred percent being best.
:
00:57:29,908 --> 00:57:32,998
And he's currently at a 40 or a 45%.
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00:57:33,738 --> 00:57:34,008
Yeah.
:
00:57:34,008 --> 00:57:35,628
And he's just like improved it over time.
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00:57:35,628 --> 00:57:40,708
And so, but it, it makes me wonder like
maybe the cold plunge, or at least a
:
00:57:40,708 --> 00:57:45,253
really intense cold plunge might not
be the best thing for a heart patient.
:
00:57:45,253 --> 00:57:45,493
Yeah.
:
00:57:45,653 --> 00:57:46,528
Probably not the best thing.
:
00:57:46,798 --> 00:57:49,858
And you can also just do like 60
degree water, you know, it doesn't
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00:57:49,858 --> 00:57:50,998
have to, it doesn't have to.
:
00:57:50,998 --> 00:57:52,228
I think everyone thinks that.
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00:57:52,758 --> 00:57:55,428
To get the benefit, it has to
be the coldest thing possible.
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00:57:55,428 --> 00:57:57,068
And I don't agree with that at all.
:
00:57:57,248 --> 00:58:02,158
There's there's benefit, you know, even
in the low fifties, there's benefit.
:
00:58:03,078 --> 00:58:08,088
Anytime that it's an uncomfortable stimuli
and it's shocking to you, you know, and
:
00:58:08,088 --> 00:58:10,068
you're like, Whoa, that's really cold.
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00:58:10,638 --> 00:58:11,838
You're getting the benefit.
:
00:58:12,228 --> 00:58:13,738
Of course, you're going
to probably have like.
:
00:58:14,203 --> 00:58:17,503
You know, a greater reduction in
inflammation if it's, if it's colder,
:
00:58:17,503 --> 00:58:22,883
colder, like if it's 40 degrees or,
you know, closer to freezing, um,
:
00:58:23,033 --> 00:58:25,803
there's probably a greater impact
on reduction of inflammation.
:
00:58:25,803 --> 00:58:30,723
But in terms of like the, the general
benefit, like you are anytime it's
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00:58:30,723 --> 00:58:36,403
cold and you're, you're having these,
um, these autonomic responses, then
:
00:58:36,693 --> 00:58:39,383
you're getting benefit, you know,
so you can, you can do it just.
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00:58:39,563 --> 00:58:41,033
It's just a cool shower.
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00:58:41,033 --> 00:58:43,823
A cold shower is also a
great, a great starting point.
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00:58:44,473 --> 00:58:47,773
And I don't think the goal with someone
with a heart condition is to ever get
:
00:58:47,773 --> 00:58:50,953
down into the, like these freezing
temperatures and the Wim Hof type thing
:
00:58:50,953 --> 00:58:52,603
where you're jumping into frozen lakes.
:
00:58:52,873 --> 00:58:57,383
You know, I've done it and I'm, I'm
not really in pursuit of that now.
:
00:58:57,503 --> 00:58:59,723
I'm more in pursuit, pursuit of longevity.
:
00:59:00,023 --> 00:59:01,058
But that's where sauna comes in.
:
00:59:01,058 --> 00:59:06,423
And I think sauna's, you know, the
most, um, compelling modality for
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00:59:06,423 --> 00:59:07,563
someone with a heart condition.
:
00:59:07,953 --> 00:59:10,053
You know, the studies show
over and over again, there's.
:
00:59:10,113 --> 00:59:19,413
I think it's like 48 percent reduction,
um, and massive decline in the likelihood
:
00:59:19,413 --> 00:59:24,383
of you developing a neurological,
um, uh, condition like Alzheimer's or
:
00:59:24,383 --> 00:59:29,483
dementia, uh, anything, anything involving
like brain plaque or basically, um,
:
00:59:29,493 --> 00:59:33,843
neurodegenerative diseases is greatly
reduced when you sauna consistently
:
00:59:34,643 --> 00:59:39,613
cardiovascular health greatly improved and
that's just from doing, you know, four,
:
00:59:39,683 --> 00:59:43,853
four or five sessions a week, um, um, uh,
For 20 minutes, like, it's not, it's not
:
00:59:43,853 --> 00:59:49,653
crazy to do a crazy commitment and there's
huge longevity benefits to doing it.
:
00:59:49,943 --> 00:59:53,403
So I'm a huge proponent for sauna for
anyone with any kind of heart condition,
:
00:59:53,833 --> 00:59:58,343
lowers your blood pressure, increases
your HRV, you're going to sleep better
:
00:59:58,573 --> 01:00:00,203
all around, like, kind of a miracle.
:
01:00:01,113 --> 01:00:02,123
Modality for you.
:
01:00:03,223 --> 01:00:08,443
Yeah, sauna sauna is like definitely
one of my favorite, uh, health
:
01:00:08,443 --> 01:00:10,663
hacks because it's enjoyable.
:
01:00:10,833 --> 01:00:12,513
I mean, up to a degree, obviously.
:
01:00:12,513 --> 01:00:12,703
Right?
:
01:00:12,703 --> 01:00:13,423
Like if you have a.
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01:00:14,268 --> 01:00:15,548
200 degree sauna.
:
01:00:15,598 --> 01:00:19,818
Like it's intense, but you gotta come
over to my place and we gotta do a sesh.
:
01:00:20,108 --> 01:00:21,418
I can't believe we haven't done one yet.
:
01:00:21,848 --> 01:00:23,308
It's, it's pretty ridiculous, Dom.
:
01:00:24,118 --> 01:00:27,038
No, you gotta, you gotta come over
and do one of these crazy sessions.
:
01:00:27,288 --> 01:00:27,648
It's funny.
:
01:00:27,648 --> 01:00:30,218
Cause I'll, I'll start,
it's always the same too.
:
01:00:30,218 --> 01:00:32,978
I'm like, Oh, let's do like a couple
of rounds and see how we feel.
:
01:00:33,398 --> 01:00:35,298
And then I'm like, you want to
do like four more, you know,
:
01:00:36,358 --> 01:00:37,788
how can we get this thing?
:
01:00:37,788 --> 01:00:39,878
And then, you know, it's next
thing, you know, it's like.
:
01:00:40,078 --> 01:00:42,918
210 degrees and you're
physically burning in there and
:
01:00:42,918 --> 01:00:44,428
you're like, this is terrible.
:
01:00:44,988 --> 01:00:45,318
Yeah.
:
01:00:45,588 --> 01:00:45,828
Yeah.
:
01:00:45,868 --> 01:00:47,928
I'm, I'm absolutely down for it though.
:
01:00:47,928 --> 01:00:51,358
When you, uh, when you get back, give me
a heads up and, and I'll come on over.
:
01:00:51,728 --> 01:00:52,428
Thousand percent.
:
01:00:52,468 --> 01:00:52,768
Yeah.
:
01:00:52,778 --> 01:00:53,658
I'd love to make that happen.
:
01:00:54,398 --> 01:00:54,668
Yeah.
:
01:00:55,098 --> 01:00:55,378
Yeah.
:
01:00:55,418 --> 01:00:56,038
That'd be fun.
:
01:00:56,558 --> 01:00:58,708
I love a good, I love a
good contrast session.
:
01:00:58,718 --> 01:01:03,778
And I I, that's the thing is I, I
still have not developed the muscle
:
01:01:03,778 --> 01:01:05,438
to say like, okay, that's enough.
:
01:01:05,588 --> 01:01:07,318
Like I always am like, yeah,
let's do one more round.
:
01:01:07,418 --> 01:01:10,768
Let's do one more, you know, it feels
like they get shorter and shorter
:
01:01:10,768 --> 01:01:11,458
and shorter, but they're like.
:
01:01:12,093 --> 01:01:14,423
You're still stressing the body,
you know, like the next day of my
:
01:01:14,423 --> 01:01:16,023
recovery is like, Hey, you overdid it.
:
01:01:16,043 --> 01:01:17,413
Like no kidding.
:
01:01:18,323 --> 01:01:20,453
It's been an hour and 20
minutes at 200 degrees.
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01:01:20,463 --> 01:01:22,633
Like, of course, of course you overdid it.
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01:01:23,283 --> 01:01:23,793
Yeah.
:
01:01:24,163 --> 01:01:28,413
Um, you know, it's also why wild is,
uh, I was, I was hearing, I don't know
:
01:01:28,413 --> 01:01:33,153
what podcast it was on, but they said
that, uh, like, for example, when,
:
01:01:33,223 --> 01:01:38,003
when you do a cold shower, if you have,
like, for example, if you live in a
:
01:01:38,003 --> 01:01:41,253
house that just doesn't have a water
heater and all you have is cold water.
:
01:01:41,573 --> 01:01:44,063
But then you have a house
with a water heater and you
:
01:01:44,063 --> 01:01:45,283
can choose to go hot or cold.
:
01:01:45,703 --> 01:01:51,723
The person with no water heater will
receive less of a dopamine hit as
:
01:01:51,723 --> 01:01:56,473
opposed to the person who has to actively
choose to go cold as opposed to go hot.
:
01:01:56,923 --> 01:02:01,683
Just from having the knowledge of, you
know, I know that I have the choice.
:
01:02:01,723 --> 01:02:03,913
Yeah, because dopamine is the reward.
:
01:02:04,163 --> 01:02:04,473
Right?
:
01:02:04,473 --> 01:02:08,913
And so for a person who has no other
option, it's not necessarily a reward.
:
01:02:08,923 --> 01:02:12,513
Like you need to go shower, but
the person who has hot or cold, and
:
01:02:12,513 --> 01:02:15,343
then they actively choose, like,
I'm going to switch over to cold.
:
01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:20,333
That is supposedly what gives
you the crazy dopamine hit.
:
01:02:20,463 --> 01:02:24,073
Um, and so you just actively
choose the hard stuff every time.
:
01:02:25,013 --> 01:02:25,753
Yeah, that makes sense.
:
01:02:25,763 --> 01:02:26,063
Wow.
:
01:02:26,063 --> 01:02:26,813
That's wild.
:
01:02:27,283 --> 01:02:27,723
It's funny.
:
01:02:27,723 --> 01:02:29,353
It's kind of like the people
that don't have a water heater.
:
01:02:29,353 --> 01:02:31,513
It's like, it's just all dread.
:
01:02:31,513 --> 01:02:32,283
No reward.
:
01:02:32,283 --> 01:02:33,628
Yeah.
:
01:02:33,628 --> 01:02:34,973
Yeah.
:
01:02:34,973 --> 01:02:37,883
Unless you're in a super hot area, right?
:
01:02:38,493 --> 01:02:41,853
Yeah, goes back to like the whole
illusion of choice paradigm, right?
:
01:02:41,863 --> 01:02:45,663
Like if you think that you have
choice, then you feel better
:
01:02:45,663 --> 01:02:47,273
about, you know, the hard thing.
:
01:02:48,013 --> 01:02:48,433
Yeah.
:
01:02:49,023 --> 01:02:49,373
Yeah.
:
01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:49,683
Yeah.
:
01:02:49,683 --> 01:02:53,163
And also, uh, you, you had, uh, when
you were talking about just like all
:
01:02:53,163 --> 01:02:56,633
of the ventures with, uh, different
companies, you know, trying to have a
:
01:02:56,643 --> 01:03:00,833
startup or, um, you know, going through
hard times, like one quote that I
:
01:03:00,833 --> 01:03:02,813
had heard recently from Ryan Holiday.
:
01:03:03,048 --> 01:03:08,318
Uh, by Seneca was, uh, I'm, I'm a butcher
it, but basically he says, I pity the
:
01:03:08,318 --> 01:03:13,768
person who's never had misfortune because
a person without an opponent will never
:
01:03:13,768 --> 01:03:18,438
know what they're truly capable, truly
capable of, not even to themselves.
:
01:03:18,808 --> 01:03:20,438
And I'm like, that's super true, man.
:
01:03:20,438 --> 01:03:23,998
When you go through the hard things,
that's when you really test your limits,
:
01:03:23,998 --> 01:03:27,808
which you've obviously probably in the
last, what, like five years here, really
:
01:03:28,308 --> 01:03:30,208
put yourself to the test and, and.
:
01:03:30,603 --> 01:03:31,533
Man coming out the other side.
:
01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:33,243
I mean, you're always
like the way I see you.
:
01:03:33,243 --> 01:03:37,523
You're always coming off It's just like
a very energetic like happy person and
:
01:03:37,523 --> 01:03:41,353
uh, you're always like yeah Anytime I
see you like just super happy giving me
:
01:03:41,353 --> 01:03:45,233
a hug and like just uh, yeah I really
appreciate like the energy you bring
:
01:03:45,233 --> 01:03:49,463
each time and so Um, whatever you're
doing and it might be the mindset coaches
:
01:03:49,483 --> 01:03:55,138
and cold plunging but it's uh, it's
it's a benefit for sure Yeah, I, I just
:
01:03:55,138 --> 01:03:57,038
see myself as a very fortunate person.
:
01:03:57,038 --> 01:04:01,078
I, you know, um, I say that I'm
a, I'm the luckiest guy now.
:
01:04:01,078 --> 01:04:05,508
And I really believe that like the, I've
been through some circumstances that
:
01:04:05,508 --> 01:04:09,838
are definitely challenging, but, um,
I've also seen all the people that have,
:
01:04:09,918 --> 01:04:13,418
that have had similar circumstances and
have not had the outcomes that I've had.
:
01:04:14,118 --> 01:04:17,688
And that just allows me to get back
into that mindset, like believing
:
01:04:17,688 --> 01:04:21,743
that I'm lucky and expecting myself
to, You know, come out on the other
:
01:04:21,743 --> 01:04:23,533
side better than I went into it.
:
01:04:24,163 --> 01:04:27,253
And then, the other thing is just
this mindset, like, I get to do it.
:
01:04:27,323 --> 01:04:31,283
Um, before I had the surgery,
I was running some friends of
:
01:04:31,283 --> 01:04:34,443
mine, you know some of them too,
like Emily Gray at Still Life.
:
01:04:34,963 --> 01:04:40,318
Um, They were encouraging me to join
them at Venice Run Club and do, you know,
:
01:04:40,318 --> 01:04:42,768
do doing runs and I didn't run at all.
:
01:04:43,908 --> 01:04:46,998
And because I couldn't lift heavy
weights, I was like, maybe I should
:
01:04:46,998 --> 01:04:48,318
dabble with this a little bit more.
:
01:04:48,428 --> 01:04:52,168
And, um, in retrospect, it was
probably a little too strenuous
:
01:04:52,198 --> 01:04:55,438
to push myself a little too hard
probably, but I really loved it.
:
01:04:55,438 --> 01:04:56,668
It made me feel very alive.
:
01:04:57,058 --> 01:05:01,048
And I remember running and I was
telling myself, I was repeating
:
01:05:01,048 --> 01:05:02,318
to myself, like, I get to do this.
:
01:05:02,318 --> 01:05:03,158
I get to do this.
:
01:05:03,743 --> 01:05:07,443
Cause I knew like, there was this fear
in the back of my mind at the time,
:
01:05:07,443 --> 01:05:10,733
like when the surgery finally happens,
when I finally do it, there's always a
:
01:05:10,733 --> 01:05:12,663
chance that like, it doesn't go right.
:
01:05:12,663 --> 01:05:14,543
And like, maybe I never get a run again.
:
01:05:14,543 --> 01:05:18,613
You know, like that was a real thought
that I was having, uh, pre surgery.
:
01:05:18,613 --> 01:05:21,433
And a lot of that was just, you
know, anxious, intrusive thoughts.
:
01:05:22,053 --> 01:05:25,663
And so I took that mindset into basically
everything I did in my business when I
:
01:05:25,663 --> 01:05:29,403
was operating my own concierge ice bath
business before I worked for Plunge.
:
01:05:30,533 --> 01:05:35,193
Um, it was like, I get to do these
long, hard days, you know, cause I
:
01:05:35,193 --> 01:05:38,003
was concerned that like, there's a
chance that a surgery doesn't go right.
:
01:05:38,003 --> 01:05:41,373
And then I'm not able to live to
the full capacity that I want to.
:
01:05:42,143 --> 01:05:46,503
Um, and I, I worked with an energy
healer and multiple, multiple coaches
:
01:05:46,503 --> 01:05:51,203
around like the mindset of healing,
which is a whole nother podcast probably.
:
01:05:51,203 --> 01:05:54,823
But getting into the mindset of like
allowing yourself to heal and seeing
:
01:05:54,823 --> 01:05:58,143
yourself as a healed person, a lot of
people get stuck in this healing journey
:
01:05:58,143 --> 01:05:59,623
where they they're healing forever.
:
01:06:00,298 --> 01:06:03,778
Um, and really where you want
to get to from my opinion is you
:
01:06:03,778 --> 01:06:05,618
want to get to the healed state.
:
01:06:06,198 --> 01:06:07,978
Like I'm a person who's
capable of healing.
:
01:06:08,038 --> 01:06:08,888
I've healed before.
:
01:06:08,928 --> 01:06:11,878
I'm going to heal again and I'm
going to live in that energy.
:
01:06:12,388 --> 01:06:16,738
I think that's a really important mindset
that a lot of people would benefit from
:
01:06:16,738 --> 01:06:20,638
taking on is like, you know, how do I
want to operate as a healed person, not
:
01:06:20,638 --> 01:06:22,408
as a person who's like hoping to heal.
:
01:06:23,278 --> 01:06:27,688
Um, and when I got into that
mindset after the surgery, then.
:
01:06:28,773 --> 01:06:30,993
The whole thing kind of came
back around full circle.
:
01:06:30,993 --> 01:06:33,603
I was like, I had best
case scenario surgery.
:
01:06:34,133 --> 01:06:37,303
I ran a mile 31 days after the surgery.
:
01:06:38,173 --> 01:06:44,333
And that was the first time in, in the,
um, cardio rehab facility at the hospital
:
01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:48,453
that I was at first time anyone had ever
done that in their facility, first time.
:
01:06:48,453 --> 01:06:49,103
My surgeon.
:
01:06:49,538 --> 01:06:51,488
It ever had a patient do that?
:
01:06:51,608 --> 01:06:53,868
He'd never had a patient do that.
:
01:06:54,078 --> 01:06:54,588
31 minutes.
:
01:06:54,588 --> 01:06:54,858
That's crazy.
:
01:06:54,948 --> 01:06:55,398
After.
:
01:06:56,148 --> 01:07:00,498
And I was able to set that precedent
because one of the PTs that I worked with,
:
01:07:00,738 --> 01:07:02,148
you know, kinda got in my head about it.
:
01:07:02,148 --> 01:07:04,518
I was like talking to him about like,
how quick I'm gonna get outta here.
:
01:07:04,518 --> 01:07:05,358
And he's like, Hey man.
:
01:07:06,138 --> 01:07:08,868
He's like, as long as your sternum
can handle it, your heart can, and
:
01:07:08,898 --> 01:07:09,873
you know, your heart can handle this.
:
01:07:10,638 --> 01:07:11,928
Like, it can handle a run.
:
01:07:12,668 --> 01:07:16,378
So, if you, if you're doing good, and
you're setting a good pace on your walks,
:
01:07:16,398 --> 01:07:17,578
you can just pick it up a little bit.
:
01:07:17,578 --> 01:07:19,648
Just make sure you're not,
obviously, damaging your sternum.
:
01:07:19,698 --> 01:07:21,848
You gotta, so I had to do
the run holding a pillow.
:
01:07:21,868 --> 01:07:22,748
They give you a heart pillow.
:
01:07:23,348 --> 01:07:25,208
So you hold, had to hold
a heart pillow here.
:
01:07:25,728 --> 01:07:28,248
And I did this first run 31 days after.
:
01:07:28,958 --> 01:07:32,268
And, uh, I was the first person,
you know, basically in this
:
01:07:32,268 --> 01:07:33,858
hospital to ever, ever do that.
:
01:07:34,668 --> 01:07:37,408
And my mindset ever since then
is like, I get to do this.
:
01:07:37,983 --> 01:07:42,403
Like I'm still getting to do this
because there's going to be another
:
01:07:42,403 --> 01:07:43,443
surgery down the road for me.
:
01:07:43,663 --> 01:07:46,753
I'm going to have to have another
heart surgery, um, in the future
:
01:07:47,093 --> 01:07:49,563
when this valve wears out because I
chose to go with the tissue valve.
:
01:07:50,213 --> 01:07:53,103
And so I'm still in that mindset
and I get to live in that mindset.
:
01:07:53,638 --> 01:07:54,678
And that, for me, is a gift.
:
01:07:56,478 --> 01:07:56,978
Yeah.
:
01:07:57,168 --> 01:08:04,158
Yeah, that's uh, It's a really great
reframing of a difficult challenge, right?
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01:08:04,168 --> 01:08:07,278
Like, they say, like, look at
it like a puzzle, not a problem.
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01:08:07,328 --> 01:08:09,708
You know, the obstacle's the
way, all that good stuff.
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01:08:09,708 --> 01:08:13,738
And it's, I think it's easier said
than done, but it's also so powerful,
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01:08:13,768 --> 01:08:16,917
just that mindset shift is huge.
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01:08:16,948 --> 01:08:21,298
And um, you know, like, the only
major surgery I've ever had was as
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01:08:21,298 --> 01:08:24,823
a child, I had a hernia at like,
The age of four or something.
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01:08:24,823 --> 01:08:25,683
I went under surgery.
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01:08:25,683 --> 01:08:28,993
So yeah, it's uh, I haven't
had to deal with that.
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01:08:29,013 --> 01:08:32,283
And um, Yeah, i'm like i'm kind
of wondering like what what
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01:08:32,283 --> 01:08:35,443
advice would you give to someone
who's like going in for a major?
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01:08:35,493 --> 01:08:39,363
surgery, like what kind of uh mental
preparation would you give as well
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01:08:39,363 --> 01:08:44,173
as like Afterwards recovery wise
like what what do you recommend?
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01:08:44,173 --> 01:08:47,673
like how do you know not to like push
yourself too hard but also like to
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01:08:47,673 --> 01:08:51,023
make sure you recover and not like live
in this place of Like you said, like
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01:08:51,023 --> 01:08:53,973
staying on the healing journey, like,
Oh, I'm not there yet, you know, but,
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01:08:54,193 --> 01:08:57,903
uh, like, how do you find your way to,
to where you're finally good again and,
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01:08:57,903 --> 01:09:00,073
and you feel ready to, to get after it?
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01:09:00,502 --> 01:09:01,913
Yeah, that's such a good question.
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01:09:01,913 --> 01:09:03,563
I, there's a, there's a few components.
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01:09:03,903 --> 01:09:05,723
Um, that's such a good question.
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01:09:05,783 --> 01:09:10,273
I think the first thing is you got to
visualize yourself as a healed person.
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You got to visualize yourself as a
person who is fully recovered and
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01:09:14,712 --> 01:09:16,273
doing the things that you want to do.
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01:09:17,082 --> 01:09:18,702
So that's, that's the state of awareness.
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01:09:19,283 --> 01:09:21,613
So that really, I would say the
first step is like awareness.
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01:09:21,663 --> 01:09:23,803
Like, are you aware of
how you want to feel?
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01:09:23,983 --> 01:09:27,763
Are you aware of what you want the
outcome to be and what that feels
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01:09:27,763 --> 01:09:30,553
like, um, in a best case scenario?
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01:09:31,832 --> 01:09:32,783
Then visualize it.
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Be super granular, super detailed.
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What are you wearing?
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01:09:36,353 --> 01:09:37,183
What's the environment?
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01:09:37,223 --> 01:09:37,832
Who's with you?
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01:09:37,832 --> 01:09:39,613
What, what's the song on the radio?
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01:09:39,702 --> 01:09:42,693
Like those are all, you know,
very detailed visualizations that
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01:09:42,693 --> 01:09:45,582
you want to kind of have in your
head that you want to get to.
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01:09:46,483 --> 01:09:48,533
And then pre surgery, I.
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I really believe in, you know, doing as
much as you can to detox, uh, detox your
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01:09:54,368 --> 01:10:01,358
body as much as possible, promote your gut
health, um, feed your microbiome, do all
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01:10:01,358 --> 01:10:02,838
of the things that you know you should do.
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01:10:03,438 --> 01:10:08,938
No processed foods, no sugar, eliminate
anything that, uh, you know, too much
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01:10:08,938 --> 01:10:12,368
caffeine, eliminate anything that's
not just pure nutrition for you.
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01:10:12,948 --> 01:10:13,968
Prioritize sleep.
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And then the mindset piece.
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It's really important, you know, on
top of the visualization and this
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awareness of who you want to become.
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01:10:21,448 --> 01:10:25,128
There's the piece of, um,
accepting whatever's like,
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01:10:25,158 --> 01:10:26,028
whatever's going to happen.
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01:10:26,138 --> 01:10:29,118
So if you're having in my case,
I had to have, you know, foreign
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objects placed in my body.
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So I have.
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01:10:31,323 --> 01:10:38,583
A synthetic aortic root that is
woven into a how tissue valve.
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01:10:38,673 --> 01:10:44,043
So I have, uh, a cow, part of a
cow's heart in my, in my heart now.
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01:10:44,793 --> 01:10:50,093
And, uh, I worked with a, with a
healer and a and a coach on this.
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01:10:50,098 --> 01:10:54,513
But basically the mindset around accepting
this, this foreign object in my body
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01:10:54,518 --> 01:10:57,693
and my, my body receiving it and saying
like, Hey, this is, this is my body.
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Like this is.
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01:10:59,963 --> 01:11:06,423
My body now, and this belongs in
my body and I think, um, people
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will look at devices that are put
into their body with that could be
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01:11:09,543 --> 01:11:11,733
a knee replacement or a pacemaker.
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01:11:11,733 --> 01:11:15,473
It could be a lot of different
things they look at it as like this
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01:11:15,493 --> 01:11:17,493
foreign object is like this thing.
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01:11:17,493 --> 01:11:18,563
That's not a part of them.
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01:11:18,633 --> 01:11:21,963
And like, I think it's really important
to integrate it in a big, this is me now.
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01:11:21,973 --> 01:11:23,353
Like, this is a part of me now.
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01:11:24,163 --> 01:11:27,993
Um, and it belongs as part of my
biology and I think that's a really
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01:11:27,993 --> 01:11:31,673
helpful way to, to make your body
accept it and to heal quickly.
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01:11:31,702 --> 01:11:34,743
And that's maybe a little bit woo woo,
but I think there's a lot of merit to it.
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Yeah.
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Yeah.
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01:11:36,943 --> 01:11:37,673
So that'd be my advice.
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And then, you know, just a strong, a
strong support system, um, get online,
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01:11:41,293 --> 01:11:45,083
look up hashtags of people that have
recovered and just remind yourself that
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01:11:45,093 --> 01:11:49,903
like there are people that are probably
not as healthy as you, not in as good a
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01:11:49,903 --> 01:11:51,823
shape as you with less resources than you.
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01:11:51,908 --> 01:11:53,291
I'm going to be talking about a couple
things here, a couple of things that
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01:11:53,291 --> 01:11:55,398
have recovered from this exact thing
that you're going through in most cases.
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You know, there's obviously like there's
rare conditions where you're, you feel
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01:11:58,758 --> 01:12:02,768
like you're one of, you know, one of a
few and my heart goes out to those people.
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01:12:02,768 --> 01:12:06,948
I have a good friend, her name is Rachel
and she has a very rare, uh, liver
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01:12:06,948 --> 01:12:12,918
cancer and her mindset, you know, humbles
me when I talk to her because she has
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01:12:12,918 --> 01:12:15,428
just been like, she's been through it.
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01:12:15,438 --> 01:12:17,898
She's, you know, I think she's
26 and she's been dealing with
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01:12:17,898 --> 01:12:19,108
the same for like six years.
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01:12:19,898 --> 01:12:25,263
And she's had multiple surgeries and her
mindset is just so resilient and like When
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01:12:25,263 --> 01:12:30,383
I talked to her, it's like, She's one of
a few people that are doing experimental
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01:12:30,403 --> 01:12:32,393
things to try to get this under control.
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01:12:33,013 --> 01:12:34,693
I'm having a surgery that's routine.
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01:12:34,702 --> 01:12:38,023
People have done thousands, hundreds
of thousands of times now, you
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01:12:38,023 --> 01:12:40,433
know, it's not even comparable.
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01:12:40,463 --> 01:12:44,623
So as crazy as it sounds to talk
to someone who's in a, in a much
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01:12:44,623 --> 01:12:46,783
worse situation than you, cause it's
going to give you perspective on
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01:12:46,783 --> 01:12:49,243
like, okay, I'm not the victim here.
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01:12:49,283 --> 01:12:53,448
Like I get to get through this and
you know, Like my friend, Rachel,
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01:12:53,448 --> 01:12:56,698
she's such an inspiration to me
because her, she's just so strong
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01:12:56,698 --> 01:12:57,798
and her mindset is so strong.
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01:12:57,798 --> 01:13:00,418
And it's like, okay, like we got this.
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01:13:00,488 --> 01:13:02,208
If you got this, I got this, you know?
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01:13:03,478 --> 01:13:05,358
And I think that those are
all the things I would do.
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01:13:06,118 --> 01:13:07,528
Yeah, yeah, I like that.
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01:13:07,528 --> 01:13:11,818
I like that a lot and actually the
accepting of a foreign object in your body
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01:13:12,438 --> 01:13:17,668
Like you said as woo as it sounds I think
it's super super important to do You know
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01:13:17,668 --> 01:13:23,858
like the body There's like an intelligence
at a cellular level, you know And there
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01:13:23,858 --> 01:13:28,178
is a connection between our thoughts our
brain and and what's going on in the body
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01:13:28,178 --> 01:13:33,618
And so just creating awareness around that
I think honestly is super beneficial and
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01:13:33,738 --> 01:13:38,038
can be literally the difference between
your body fully accepting that and molding
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01:13:38,038 --> 01:13:42,558
around it and using it and possibly
like rejecting it, you know, so agree.
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01:13:43,038 --> 01:13:44,958
Yeah, that was super good.
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01:13:45,568 --> 01:13:46,778
Um, but also dumb.
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01:13:46,848 --> 01:13:51,668
So, uh, we are probably getting towards
the end of our session here, but I wanted
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01:13:51,668 --> 01:13:56,638
to also ask you what, uh, what are like
some of the health practices you're doing
:
01:13:56,638 --> 01:13:59,648
currently to like, just stay healthy.
:
01:13:59,688 --> 01:14:03,853
Um, Yeah, like what are, what
are the foods you're eating?
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01:14:03,853 --> 01:14:05,183
What are the things that you're doing?
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01:14:05,213 --> 01:14:11,103
Um, are the ant sized, uh,
free smoothies from Erewhon?
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01:14:11,103 --> 01:14:11,493
The answer here.
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01:14:12,702 --> 01:14:15,773
I had to bring up the, the, that was
like the funniest post you'd ever
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01:14:15,773 --> 01:14:18,683
put that I, that I've seen where,
uh, for those of you who don't know
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01:14:18,683 --> 01:14:22,113
Erewhon, you get a free smoothie if
you're, uh, like a member with them.
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01:14:22,283 --> 01:14:24,753
And Dom posted like, what is this?
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01:14:24,753 --> 01:14:25,673
A smoothie for ants?
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01:14:26,013 --> 01:14:26,263
Yeah.
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01:14:26,263 --> 01:14:27,983
And, uh, shout out Zoolander.
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01:14:28,073 --> 01:14:28,873
Oh man.
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01:14:29,588 --> 01:14:31,068
It's they get you with that too.
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01:14:31,068 --> 01:14:32,418
It's like you think
you're getting this deal.
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01:14:32,418 --> 01:14:35,458
You're like i'm gonna roll in there I'm
gonna get the hailey bieber smoothie.
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01:14:35,458 --> 01:14:38,718
I'm gonna get that nice one, you
know, and then it's like a dixie cup
:
01:14:38,728 --> 01:14:43,928
basically and you're like This is the
this is what I this is the bonus that I
:
01:14:43,958 --> 01:14:46,528
signed up for like are you kidding me?
:
01:14:46,528 --> 01:14:49,827
It's an instagram versus reality moment
like which is funny because they've
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01:14:49,848 --> 01:14:53,538
created like the instagram smoothie
craze, you know Yeah, it's so funny.
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01:14:53,968 --> 01:14:58,878
Um Well, I recently started on the,
um, armor after our conversation, you
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01:14:58,888 --> 01:15:00,598
sent me that, that recommendation.
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01:15:00,968 --> 01:15:05,258
And, uh, I think that it's
a positive thing in my life.
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01:15:05,258 --> 01:15:07,638
It's still a little too early to
tell, but I think it's a positive
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01:15:07,638 --> 01:15:11,268
thing, at least from an immune system
standpoint, makes a lot of sense.
:
01:15:12,118 --> 01:15:14,618
I have gone the full spectrum.
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01:15:15,698 --> 01:15:19,338
I would say in the last, um,
three years of going for, you
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01:15:19,338 --> 01:15:21,688
know, no gluten, no dairy.
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01:15:22,202 --> 01:15:27,433
To now raw milk and some gluten, I'm
kind of, I'm, I'm doing the whole,
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01:15:27,513 --> 01:15:32,673
the whole thing, uh, again, but my,
my, my nutrition has been, what I've
:
01:15:32,673 --> 01:15:36,753
really noticed for me is high protein
in the morning, carb load at night.
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01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:40,443
So carbs at night, um,
still with protein, but.
:
01:15:41,233 --> 01:15:45,143
Uh, mostly protein and fat in the
morning, get through the morning that way.
:
01:15:45,202 --> 01:15:49,233
Um, I've been rocking those
ketones, Ketone IQ from HVMN,
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01:15:50,023 --> 01:15:51,293
very obsessed with those.
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01:15:51,533 --> 01:15:56,293
Um, the only downside is that I
don't sometimes want to eat, but this
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01:15:56,293 --> 01:16:01,583
is the absolute best tool for, uh,
for just focus and mental clarity.
:
01:16:02,103 --> 01:16:05,223
Like I feel like cognitive
performance, it's, it's elite.
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01:16:05,503 --> 01:16:07,723
Mind you, I've worked in supplement
companies, like I co founded.
:
01:16:08,128 --> 01:16:12,498
Uh, a couple supplement companies
and formulated and, you know, I've
:
01:16:12,498 --> 01:16:16,888
done all the nootropics out there
basically, and ketone IQ just
:
01:16:16,888 --> 01:16:18,708
seems to absolutely rip for me.
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01:16:18,738 --> 01:16:22,148
So I'm a huge proponent of,
of working that into your, um,
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01:16:22,278 --> 01:16:26,408
into your either fasted schedule
or uh, just as a way to like.
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01:16:26,738 --> 01:16:28,368
Get you through it that afternoon crash.
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01:16:29,077 --> 01:16:30,318
Um, so it doesn't happen.
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01:16:30,338 --> 01:16:31,558
So you're feeling your brain.
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01:16:31,838 --> 01:16:33,248
That's a super important one.
:
01:16:33,728 --> 01:16:39,518
And, um, in terms of, uh, in terms
of supplementation, I've, I've been
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01:16:39,518 --> 01:16:40,968
trying to keep it really clean.
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01:16:40,968 --> 01:16:46,168
So probiotic, the armor, the colostrum,
which I think is super helpful,
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01:16:47,048 --> 01:16:51,268
super clean pre workouts with, you
know, no additives in there at all.
:
01:16:51,748 --> 01:16:56,258
Um, three to five grams of
creatine a day, a lot of red meat.
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01:16:56,773 --> 01:16:57,323
Which is funny.
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01:16:57,323 --> 01:17:01,173
It's funny to be a proponent of red
meat when, you know, like, especially
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01:17:01,173 --> 01:17:03,063
the heart condition, because everyone
that has a heart conditions are
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01:17:03,063 --> 01:17:04,213
like, oh, no, you can't do that.
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01:17:05,463 --> 01:17:08,023
I'm quite confident that
it's the right choice for me.
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01:17:08,573 --> 01:17:14,093
And the more that you research, um,
really like cholesterol and like
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01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:18,813
what's perceived as bad, um, and what
healthy fat in the body is, how our
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01:17:18,813 --> 01:17:21,483
body actually retains cholesterol.
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01:17:21,483 --> 01:17:24,003
Meaning like when you assume things
that are high in fat or high in
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01:17:24,003 --> 01:17:27,233
cholesterol, does it actually translate
to the cholesterol in the body?
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01:17:27,233 --> 01:17:27,443
Yeah.
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01:17:27,813 --> 01:17:29,163
It doesn't seem that it actually does.
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01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:35,013
So I'm a proponent of whole
eggs, red meat, raw dairy.
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01:17:35,638 --> 01:17:36,488
Doing the whole thing.
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01:17:37,958 --> 01:17:38,268
Yeah.
:
01:17:38,508 --> 01:17:38,718
Yeah.
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01:17:38,718 --> 01:17:40,708
Have you have you read
the cholesterol myth?
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01:17:41,368 --> 01:17:42,798
No, I haven't but I'm familiar with it.
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01:17:42,898 --> 01:17:43,268
Yeah.
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01:17:43,327 --> 01:17:43,668
Okay.
:
01:17:43,718 --> 01:17:47,238
Yeah Yeah, it's um, we don't need
to get too deep into it, but it uh,
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01:17:47,288 --> 01:17:52,798
it would appear triglycerides sugar
like that is Really what you want to
:
01:17:52,798 --> 01:17:57,678
be watching out for Cholesterol, the
brain is what is like 70 percent fat
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01:17:57,678 --> 01:17:59,008
basically or something like that.
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01:17:59,488 --> 01:18:02,468
I'm probably off on the numbers, but
it's a high amount like the brain is
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01:18:02,498 --> 01:18:06,848
primarily fat and cholesterol and yes,
there can be good and bad cholesterol,
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01:18:06,848 --> 01:18:10,568
but I'm, I'm pretty on board with you
that cholesterol is not really the
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01:18:10,568 --> 01:18:15,038
bad guy here, but rather the sugar is
probably what we should watch out for.
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01:18:15,088 --> 01:18:16,657
Um, for sure, but.
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01:18:16,873 --> 01:18:17,293
Yeah.
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01:18:17,513 --> 01:18:21,393
Uh, also Dom, you are, I know you're
associated with, uh, well you work
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01:18:21,393 --> 01:18:26,393
with, uh, with Plunge and, uh, you know,
like, obviously we spoke a lot about
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01:18:26,963 --> 01:18:31,343
cold plunges and stuff, so, uh, like,
what would you recommend for people in
:
01:18:31,343 --> 01:18:34,693
terms of if they wanted to get one for
themselves and, um, you know, are these
:
01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:39,973
Something that are gonna, you know, be
apartment ready or, or more for a house
:
01:18:39,973 --> 01:18:42,353
or kind of like, what, what are your
recommendations on all that good stuff?
:
01:18:42,433 --> 01:18:43,032
It's a great question.
:
01:18:43,443 --> 01:18:46,083
Um, I mean, I work for the
company, so I'm a little biased,
:
01:18:46,123 --> 01:18:47,373
but I believe it's the best.
:
01:18:47,853 --> 01:18:50,423
Product in this category
best product of its kind.
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01:18:50,823 --> 01:18:52,713
That's why I probably work there.
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01:18:53,183 --> 01:18:54,183
Um, remind you.
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01:18:54,183 --> 01:18:55,653
I, I, I did it.
:
01:18:56,083 --> 01:18:59,003
I was doing this, this practice
and I was doing these experiences
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01:18:59,123 --> 01:19:00,093
prior to working there.
:
01:19:00,093 --> 01:19:05,053
So I've been, you know, deep in this
lifestyle for, uh, quite a while, a few
:
01:19:05,053 --> 01:19:08,032
years and I just believe in this product.
:
01:19:08,032 --> 01:19:09,743
I believe in our founders
and I believe in our team.
:
01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:13,403
Um, There's multiple options,
different configurations.
:
01:19:13,413 --> 01:19:15,913
There's more configurations coming
out this year that are going to
:
01:19:15,993 --> 01:19:20,202
make it a lot easier for people
that live in apartments or live in
:
01:19:20,202 --> 01:19:21,713
a place that has only a balcony.
:
01:19:21,713 --> 01:19:25,093
Let's say, um, we're going to
have configurations coming out
:
01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,873
later this year that are going to
make a lot more sense for people.
:
01:19:28,323 --> 01:19:31,913
Um, and these make it easier for
people to have less space, um, less
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01:19:31,913 --> 01:19:33,723
of like a traditional backyard space.
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01:19:34,343 --> 01:19:36,003
So I would say stay tuned for that.
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01:19:36,403 --> 01:19:36,973
Um.
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01:19:37,648 --> 01:19:40,628
I think it's, if you're doing, if
you're doing like a traditional ice
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01:19:40,628 --> 01:19:45,938
bath twice a week, you're already
buying enough ice that it makes
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01:19:45,938 --> 01:19:47,448
sense just to buy the, the plunge.
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01:19:47,448 --> 01:19:51,438
Like, why not just like elevate your
game and have, have access to it?
:
01:19:51,738 --> 01:19:54,918
What I've been doing is I've been
doing shooting for five days a week.
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01:19:54,918 --> 01:19:56,907
So that's, that's what my
goal is when I'm at home.
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01:19:57,548 --> 01:20:00,838
I shoot for five days a week and that
gives me two, a couple of things.
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01:20:00,838 --> 01:20:03,498
One, it gives me a little grace,
like if my schedule is crazy and
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01:20:03,498 --> 01:20:06,688
I'm not able to make it happen on
the, you know, a couple of days a
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01:20:06,688 --> 01:20:08,448
week, I don't beat myself up for it.
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01:20:08,458 --> 01:20:13,548
Like I, I've done the streaks where I'm
trying to do it every single day and I'm
:
01:20:13,548 --> 01:20:17,758
not a huge, I'm a huge fan of doing a
streak for a short amount of time, like
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01:20:17,778 --> 01:20:22,478
30 days or 60 days, 75 hard, whatever
you, you choose your, you choose your
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01:20:22,488 --> 01:20:23,958
time that you're going to go all in.
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01:20:23,968 --> 01:20:24,327
That's great.
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01:20:25,193 --> 01:20:28,103
And then I think you need to have like
a little realism in your schedule the
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01:20:28,103 --> 01:20:32,263
rest of the time and not create like
a guilt or a shame cycle around like
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01:20:32,323 --> 01:20:34,183
not, Oh, I didn't, I missed a day.
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01:20:34,183 --> 01:20:34,593
Oh no.
:
01:20:34,593 --> 01:20:36,643
I can't believe I, you
know, let myself down.
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01:20:36,643 --> 01:20:39,383
Like, I don't think that's super
helpful in the longterm and I
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01:20:39,383 --> 01:20:41,573
don't think that's really how
you should think in the longterm.
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01:20:41,573 --> 01:20:43,633
It should be like, I'm choosing
to do this thing because I
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01:20:43,643 --> 01:20:44,723
know that it's good for me.
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01:20:45,123 --> 01:20:48,263
And so when you have, uh, when you
have a plunge at your house or, you
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01:20:48,263 --> 01:20:51,403
know, on your balcony or in your
apartment, then you have the ability
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01:20:51,423 --> 01:20:54,023
to, to do it as much as you want.
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01:20:54,463 --> 01:20:57,313
So you set a baseline of like, here's
the minimum that I'm going to do it.
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01:20:57,343 --> 01:21:00,553
Like at minimum, I'm going to do it
three days a week or five days a week.
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01:21:00,853 --> 01:21:02,123
And then you can always add onto it.
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01:21:02,403 --> 01:21:06,523
So what I find is when I set that
minimum for myself, I, you know,
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01:21:06,653 --> 01:21:09,073
you bang out the first five days and
you're like, okay, well that was easy.
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01:21:09,588 --> 01:21:11,868
And then you're like, all right, I'll
get another one in another six days.
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01:21:11,878 --> 01:21:14,698
And then like, you maybe do a contrast
session and get three or four of them
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01:21:14,698 --> 01:21:18,548
in, you know, and you end up doing, I
feel like you end up doing more because
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01:21:18,548 --> 01:21:21,808
you take off that pressure of like,
I have to do this every single day.
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01:21:21,808 --> 01:21:23,708
So that's, that's how I would approach it.
:
01:21:24,248 --> 01:21:29,588
Um, and yeah, I, I, I'm a huge fan
of the product and the brand and I,
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01:21:30,108 --> 01:21:34,138
I, uh, encourage everyone to check us
out on Instagram at plunge or plunge.
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01:21:34,138 --> 01:21:34,168
com.
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01:21:35,282 --> 01:21:37,933
And pay attention because there's gonna be
some cool stuff coming down the pipeline.
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01:21:38,793 --> 01:21:39,403
Yeah, yeah.
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01:21:39,403 --> 01:21:41,233
I'm also, uh, I'm a huge fan of it.
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01:21:41,233 --> 01:21:44,713
I mean, I love cold plunges in all
forms, but I would say plunge is
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01:21:44,923 --> 01:21:46,643
one of the sleeker looking ones.
:
01:21:46,653 --> 01:21:50,113
It's one of the nicer ones, especially,
uh, you know, if you want something
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01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:53,733
aesthetically pleasing for your house,
like it's definitely up there on the list.
:
01:21:54,193 --> 01:21:59,013
Uh, it's works well, has the flow
of water as well, which is nice.
:
01:21:59,043 --> 01:22:04,683
Um, I know like our saunas, they're
up and up and on the website, right?
:
01:22:04,683 --> 01:22:05,633
Like they're ready for sale.
:
01:22:05,693 --> 01:22:05,913
Yeah.
:
01:22:05,913 --> 01:22:07,473
They're on a, they're on
a pre order right now.
:
01:22:07,523 --> 01:22:11,443
Uh, we're moving, we're moving into a,
an option where you can just buy them.
:
01:22:11,523 --> 01:22:17,383
Uh, I think the pre order is, is almost,
um, almost done, but either way, it's.
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01:22:18,268 --> 01:22:19,798
They'll be fulfilled very quickly.
:
01:22:20,188 --> 01:22:25,768
Um, competitive with really any
other, um, traditional sauna maker.
:
01:22:25,798 --> 01:22:31,018
So any, any other sauna maker that's,
you know, fabricated them in America.
:
01:22:31,018 --> 01:22:33,928
And that's, that's an important
note about this is these products
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01:22:33,928 --> 01:22:35,298
are, you know, made here in the U.
:
01:22:35,298 --> 01:22:35,468
S.
:
01:22:36,133 --> 01:22:40,803
So when you go into the warehouse, you
know, there's literally this, it's like
:
01:22:40,833 --> 01:22:42,313
bigger than it's the size of a Costco.
:
01:22:42,343 --> 01:22:45,643
It's you go in and it's just
like plunges as far as you can
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01:22:45,643 --> 01:22:47,413
see people assembling them.
:
01:22:47,413 --> 01:22:50,123
These are giving people jobs
here in the U S which is awesome.
:
01:22:50,643 --> 01:22:53,403
American manufacturing, you
go into the sauna world.
:
01:22:53,403 --> 01:22:55,473
It's a separate room and it's
where the saunas are being built.
:
01:22:55,473 --> 01:22:59,513
And it smells amazing because, you
know, they're, yeah, all this amazing,
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01:22:59,543 --> 01:23:05,595
uh, cedar cedar and, uh, There's
the sawdust and it smells great.
:
01:23:05,595 --> 01:23:08,931
And, you know, you see these things being
built in their different configurations
:
01:23:08,931 --> 01:23:11,478
and it's, it's super cool to be a part of.
:
01:23:11,478 --> 01:23:12,718
And it's amazing to see.
:
01:23:13,268 --> 01:23:17,678
And, uh, the thing that we, I think
we have, it's just super advantageous
:
01:23:17,718 --> 01:23:20,918
that helps me believe in this brand
so much is our customer service.
:
01:23:21,098 --> 01:23:22,548
Like there's a lot of people that.
:
01:23:23,138 --> 01:23:27,648
We'll go to Alibaba, they'll create
a product, you know, they'll find
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01:23:27,668 --> 01:23:30,788
the parts and things or whatever and
slap a, slap a brand label on it.
:
01:23:31,118 --> 01:23:32,018
And they're just trying to get rich.
:
01:23:32,018 --> 01:23:35,058
They're trying to sell, you know, a
couple of thousand units and then get out.
:
01:23:35,698 --> 01:23:38,907
And that's not what this business
is like, you know, we've been doing
:
01:23:38,907 --> 01:23:41,458
this, but they've been doing it longer
than I've been with the company, but
:
01:23:41,458 --> 01:23:42,608
they've been doing this for three years.
:
01:23:43,508 --> 01:23:45,798
And they really care about
their customer experience.
:
01:23:45,818 --> 01:23:49,108
They really care about the longevity
of their product and their brand.
:
01:23:49,498 --> 01:23:52,518
And so as a result, like there's
a problem, we're going to fix it.
:
01:23:52,618 --> 01:23:54,308
Like we're going to, we're going
to get to the bottom of it.
:
01:23:54,308 --> 01:23:57,698
And so it's awesome to be part of
a company that actually cares about
:
01:23:57,698 --> 01:24:01,488
their customer and not just like
care about like, Oh, we hope you had
:
01:24:01,488 --> 01:24:02,928
a good experience with the product.
:
01:24:02,928 --> 01:24:05,598
But like, We have a product that's
going to help you change your life.
:
01:24:05,628 --> 01:24:08,398
Like the slogan is take the
plunge, change your life.
:
01:24:08,788 --> 01:24:11,648
And so when, you know, when
you get a plunge, like this
:
01:24:11,648 --> 01:24:12,848
is a whole new world for you.
:
01:24:12,848 --> 01:24:14,407
Like you can use this thing.
:
01:24:14,468 --> 01:24:15,808
Like we talked about the dopamine earlier.
:
01:24:15,827 --> 01:24:19,678
You can use that dopamine and get
on that train to set up other habits
:
01:24:19,678 --> 01:24:24,218
and habit stack, you know, going
into the new year, um, you can use a
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01:24:24,218 --> 01:24:26,868
morning cold plunge that cold exposure
and that integrates in dopamine.
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01:24:27,528 --> 01:24:31,388
That increase in this reward, you
know, hormone, that's chemical in your
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01:24:31,388 --> 01:24:36,068
brain to do other things and feel a
sense of reward and create that habit.
:
01:24:36,218 --> 01:24:39,608
So you can have it stack very
effectively just by getting that cold
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01:24:39,608 --> 01:24:40,768
plunge in first thing in the morning.
:
01:24:41,038 --> 01:24:46,598
And a good example of this in my life,
flossing, I do not like to floss.
:
01:24:46,928 --> 01:24:47,608
I'll be, I'll be real.
:
01:24:47,608 --> 01:24:51,298
I'm one of those people who's like,
it's just not like, I'm not one of those
:
01:24:51,298 --> 01:24:52,508
people who's like excited to floss.
:
01:24:52,528 --> 01:24:53,558
I know those people exist.
:
01:24:54,153 --> 01:24:54,952
I'm not one of them.
:
01:24:55,383 --> 01:24:55,933
I dread it.
:
01:24:55,952 --> 01:24:58,613
I'm like, Oh, you know, I gotta
do this thing, but it's super
:
01:24:58,613 --> 01:24:59,843
important for my heart health.
:
01:24:59,893 --> 01:25:00,193
Right.
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01:25:00,193 --> 01:25:01,373
It's really, really important.
:
01:25:02,023 --> 01:25:02,213
Yeah.
:
01:25:02,253 --> 01:25:07,743
Um, and so just using the principles
of habit stacking, I started being
:
01:25:07,743 --> 01:25:09,853
like, okay, I'm going to cold
point and I'm going to floss.
:
01:25:10,858 --> 01:25:11,338
Super easy.
:
01:25:11,338 --> 01:25:11,657
Right?
:
01:25:12,058 --> 01:25:15,028
Well, if I did it in the morning, then
I'm going to do it before bed because it's
:
01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:16,338
like, now I've already started the habit.
:
01:25:16,348 --> 01:25:18,988
I think it's easy for me to be like,
okay, I just have to do it once more.
:
01:25:18,988 --> 01:25:20,748
I've already done, done it once today.
:
01:25:21,368 --> 01:25:23,648
And that just creates this
loop for me where it's like,
:
01:25:23,648 --> 01:25:24,688
it's easier for me to do it.
:
01:25:24,688 --> 01:25:27,558
And then you add the next thing on,
you add the next thing on pretty soon.
:
01:25:27,558 --> 01:25:29,228
It's like, oh yeah, I'm a flosser.
:
01:25:29,978 --> 01:25:32,718
Like, you know, I get, I, you know,
as a person who cold plunges and
:
01:25:32,718 --> 01:25:34,008
flosses, you know what I mean?
:
01:25:34,008 --> 01:25:37,907
But like, it's that easy to find a
thing that you have resistance to or
:
01:25:37,907 --> 01:25:39,558
drag or, you know, some sort of rub.
:
01:25:40,653 --> 01:25:44,303
Put that right behind the plunge
and it's going to reduce that.
:
01:25:45,023 --> 01:25:45,373
Yeah.
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01:25:45,503 --> 01:25:45,883
Yeah.
:
01:25:45,933 --> 01:25:47,493
It's, uh, sorry, real quick.
:
01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:48,923
Are you, are you an office fan?
:
01:25:50,793 --> 01:25:54,343
Do you remember the, when you were
saying like with New Year's and with
:
01:25:54,343 --> 01:25:58,003
flossing and Michael Scott, at one
point he's like talking about how
:
01:25:58,003 --> 01:25:59,913
flossing was his New Year's resolution.
:
01:26:00,952 --> 01:26:03,782
12 o'clock, midnight, December 1st, BAM!
:
01:26:03,793 --> 01:26:04,983
Blood everywhere in the sink.
:
01:26:06,573 --> 01:26:09,433
Sorry, that was, that was like,
that was going through my head, man.
:
01:26:09,433 --> 01:26:10,853
I had to meme worthy.
:
01:26:11,083 --> 01:26:11,273
Yeah.
:
01:26:12,193 --> 01:26:16,143
But yeah, no, you're absolutely right,
and I'm sure, um, I know, uh, Andrew
:
01:26:16,143 --> 01:26:21,123
Huberman talks about, like, with
procrastination, it's like, we do the, um,
:
01:26:21,143 --> 01:26:24,577
when there's something we really have to
do, And we're just like procrastinating.
:
01:26:24,577 --> 01:26:26,378
We want to do the thing
that's easier than that.
:
01:26:26,388 --> 01:26:30,818
So it's like if you have, uh, like
work, like he uses, um, writing
:
01:26:30,818 --> 01:26:33,208
a book, he's like, super hard for
me to sit down and write a book.
:
01:26:33,208 --> 01:26:35,048
So like, I'll start just
like cleaning my house.
:
01:26:35,098 --> 01:26:37,318
Cause it's the easier option on the list.
:
01:26:37,318 --> 01:26:37,968
Right, right.
:
01:26:38,018 --> 01:26:40,518
But if you, uh, like if
you're procrastinating.
:
01:26:41,077 --> 01:26:43,848
He says, you have to do something
harder than the task in which
:
01:26:43,848 --> 01:26:44,907
you're trying to accomplish.
:
01:26:44,938 --> 01:26:47,258
So he'll use like an ice
bath, for example, and he's
:
01:26:47,258 --> 01:26:48,728
like, ice bath is super hard.
:
01:26:48,998 --> 01:26:52,528
So he's like, I definitely don't want
to do an ice bath, you know, more than
:
01:26:52,528 --> 01:26:54,728
I want to write some pages of a book.
:
01:26:54,758 --> 01:26:58,228
So he's like, I'll go and I'll force
myself to do that ice bath because
:
01:26:58,238 --> 01:26:59,778
then the book feels like a cinch.
:
01:26:59,998 --> 01:27:01,577
You know, it's super easy to get to.
:
01:27:01,577 --> 01:27:04,077
And, and so it might be the same thing
with like, not only the dopamine and
:
01:27:04,077 --> 01:27:07,657
neuroepinephrine and then creating
the habit, but rather like also you're
:
01:27:07,657 --> 01:27:10,213
procrastinating doing the flossing
because it's annoying and But it's like,
:
01:27:10,233 --> 01:27:12,213
man, you just did a freaking ice bath.
:
01:27:12,532 --> 01:27:15,963
Like flossing is nothing, you know, and
it's a couple of minutes and you're done.
:
01:27:16,113 --> 01:27:16,923
Yeah, totally.
:
01:27:17,233 --> 01:27:18,083
It's wild, right?
:
01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:18,773
It's awesome.
:
01:27:18,963 --> 01:27:19,393
It's insane.
:
01:27:19,603 --> 01:27:20,983
What an amazing tool.
:
01:27:21,282 --> 01:27:25,613
So that, you know, the list goes on
of reasons why I'm a proponent, but,
:
01:27:25,653 --> 01:27:29,313
uh, this is a good place to start,
especially going into new year's.
:
01:27:29,313 --> 01:27:30,003
Yeah.
:
01:27:30,083 --> 01:27:30,813
A hundred percent.
:
01:27:30,863 --> 01:27:34,143
Um, and, uh, also DALMA,
like, uh, I want to leave the.
:
01:27:34,452 --> 01:27:37,123
A little bit of time here for
you to also just let people know
:
01:27:37,123 --> 01:27:38,383
where they can connect with you.
:
01:27:38,463 --> 01:27:41,173
I know you mentioned plunge, but if
there's any other things with plunge,
:
01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:44,803
like, um, like you said, new innovation
coming out or, uh, you know, maybe
:
01:27:44,803 --> 01:27:48,693
a good time to purchase one, uh,
or just whatever the heck you want
:
01:27:48,693 --> 01:27:52,153
to share where people can find you
and, and just all that good stuff.
:
01:27:52,153 --> 01:27:55,103
Yeah, uh, the easiest way to get a
hold of me is just on Instagram, uh,
:
01:27:55,163 --> 01:28:00,303
at lifexdom, and you can reach out,
um, yeah, if you have questions around,
:
01:28:00,513 --> 01:28:04,653
you know, the practice or around
surgery or mindset, that kind of stuff.
:
01:28:04,653 --> 01:28:08,153
I'm always down to
communicate and, uh, check in.
:
01:28:08,163 --> 01:28:09,463
You can set up a Calendly call.
:
01:28:09,463 --> 01:28:11,083
We can, we can talk.
:
01:28:11,153 --> 01:28:13,093
Um, I don't do one on one coaching.
:
01:28:13,093 --> 01:28:17,623
I don't do any coaching outside of Plunge
right now, but, um, I'm always down to
:
01:28:17,623 --> 01:28:21,373
help out and, you know, encourage people
if they're going through something, having
:
01:28:21,373 --> 01:28:22,753
been through some of these things myself.
:
01:28:23,423 --> 01:28:27,583
And, uh, yeah, that's the, that's the
easiest way to get ahold of me, lifexdom.
:
01:28:28,253 --> 01:28:30,873
And, that's the easiest
place to get ahold of me.
:
01:28:31,263 --> 01:28:33,563
And visit, you know, at plunge.
:
01:28:33,693 --> 01:28:35,153
com or at plunge on Instagram.
:
01:28:36,123 --> 01:28:37,363
Nice, nice, yeah.
:
01:28:37,363 --> 01:28:41,513
And, uh, if you see Dom wandering
the streets of Venice, say hello.
:
01:28:41,513 --> 01:28:43,282
He's a super friendly guy.
:
01:28:43,423 --> 01:28:46,343
And, uh, like I said, honestly,
Dom, you've, uh, You've always
:
01:28:46,343 --> 01:28:47,493
been, always been super nice.
:
01:28:47,513 --> 01:28:51,163
And, um, you know, I feel like
you, you, you keep a very level
:
01:28:51,173 --> 01:28:54,503
head, you don't let ego really
get to you and you're just always
:
01:28:54,513 --> 01:28:56,623
bringing like a good smile with you.
:
01:28:56,623 --> 01:29:00,133
And so, uh, truly for me personally,
I appreciate that Dom, you've
:
01:29:00,133 --> 01:29:01,553
been a, just a great person.
:
01:29:01,833 --> 01:29:04,873
To this community and also, uh,
just a pleasure to be around
:
01:29:04,873 --> 01:29:06,143
and to see and connect with.
:
01:29:06,143 --> 01:29:08,623
And, uh, I'm really happy
to have had you on the show.
:
01:29:08,633 --> 01:29:10,013
Honestly, it's absolute pleasure.
:
01:29:10,013 --> 01:29:14,633
And, um, yeah, really enjoyed connecting
with you and I look forward to our
:
01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:17,023
contrast therapy session coming up soon.
:
01:29:17,353 --> 01:29:17,763
Heck yeah.
:
01:29:17,763 --> 01:29:18,532
Well, thank you for having me.
:
01:29:18,532 --> 01:29:19,343
I really appreciate it.
:
01:29:19,733 --> 01:29:21,343
And I'm looking forward
to that session as well.
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01:29:22,032 --> 01:29:22,503
Okay, Dom.
:
01:29:22,503 --> 01:29:22,623
Yeah.
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01:29:22,623 --> 01:29:23,773
You let me know when you're back in town.
:
01:29:23,773 --> 01:29:24,313
We'll get it going.
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01:29:24,893 --> 01:29:25,413
Sounds good.
:
01:29:25,413 --> 01:29:25,843
We'll do.
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01:29:26,303 --> 01:29:26,513
I'll get you soon.
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01:29:26,513 --> 01:29:27,053
All right.
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01:29:27,603 --> 01:29:28,243
Thanks, man.
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Everybody.
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You guys know the, the motto of the show.
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It's do everything with good intentions
and connect to your elements.
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Thank you all so much for tuning in
and have a great rest of your week.
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Peace.