161. Open Heart Surgery And Contrast Therapy: Facing Adversity With Dom

Open Heart Surgery And Contrast Therapy: Facing Adversity With Dom

CONNECT WITH DOM:

Life is riddled with anxiety and fear inducing events, however our mentality plays a massive role in the way we face these events. When Dom was faced with the reality of undergoing open heart surgery, he was likely flooded with mixed emotions. However, Dom was able to face the surgery head on, while keeping a strong mindset throughout the recovery process as well.

In this episode Dom, the director of community experience at Plunge, shares his experience in preparing mentally and physically for major life events that might be shrouded in fear and anxiety. He also shares his contrast therapy experience and practice with us, as well as the role that it's played in his life. Evan and Dom also share their personal experiences with using wellness tracking devices such as the whoop band and oura ring.

This episode will provide you with tools to strengthen your mindset, explain some of the less tangible benefits of contrast therapy, and shed some insight on the health and wellness practices that both Evan and Dom utilize.

As always, do everything with good intentions and connect to your elements.

Dom's Bio:

Dom Cianciotto is a mindset coach who curates wellness experiences based on science backed protocols. He’s also the director of community and experiences at Plunge. By sharing the mental frameworks and practices that have helped him overcome his own challenges - depression, financial hardships, open heart surgery - Dom guides different modalities like heat, cold exposure, and breathwork to help you unlock your power.

DISCLAIMER:

This podcast is for educational purposes only, it is not a substitute for professional care by a doctor or other qualified medical professional. Evan Roberts is not a medical professional and this podcast is provided on the understanding that it does not constitute medical or other professional advice or services. Statements and views expressed on this show are not medical advice, this podcast, including Evan Roberts and any guests on the show, disclaims responsibility for any possible adverse effects from the use of information contained in this episode. If you think you have a medical problem please consult a medical professional.

Transcript

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Hey, what's going on, everyone.

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Welcome to the elemental Evan podcast.

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This is your host, Evan Roberts.

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And on this show, I break down

health topics from a holistic

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and simplified perspective.

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So you can walk away from these

episodes with some very actionable

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steps that you can apply to your life

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right after hearing this episode.

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And on this episode, I'm joined

by a really good friend of mine.

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His name is Dom.

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He is the director of community

experiences over at plunge, which

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if you're unfamiliar with plunge,

it is a contrast therapy company.

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They make some really sleek looking.

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Uh, ice baths as well as saunas.

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And really excited to obviously

talk with Dom about his work over at

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plunge and kind of all of the work

that they're doing and kind of new

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innovations that are coming out.

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But beyond that.

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Uh, Dom is a.

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Very well-experienced, uh,

coach, when it comes to guiding

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people through contrast therapy.

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So ice baths, breath work.

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Uh, Andy.

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In my opinion.

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He also has a really great mindset and

tools for developing a strong mindset.

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The reason I say that is because in

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surgery and just the whole preparation.

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Uh, mentally and physically to

go into a surgery like that.

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It takes a lot out of a person and,

you know, it can be very taxing.

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There's a lot of fear, a lot of

anxiety around it, which of, you

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know, of course is to be expected.

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But nonetheless, Dom shares his

experience and kind of some of the

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mental work that he was doing, physical

work that he was doing to prep for

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not only going into surgery, but then

the aftermath of the surgery, right.

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The recuperation.

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Period of getting through the surgery and

really talking about how he was able to.

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In a very short amount of time, get

back to where he was pre, uh, going

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into the surgery, which is super cool.

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Uh, it's really awesome to hear

his whole idea and mindset around

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kind of prepping for this surgery

and this big event in his life.

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And personally, I feel like I gained

some really beneficial tools just from

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our conversation in terms of applying.

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You know them too.

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Difficult experiences in my life,

things that I might have fear around or

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resistance or, you know, any anxiety.

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And really just once again, coming

back to that, Marcus Raley's quo of

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making the obstacle the way, right.

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That which stands in

the way becomes the way.

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And so really.

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That was one of my favorite

segments of the show.

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And I think you're going to find a lot

of benefit in that portion as well.

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But aside from just talking about

mindset, which is one of my favorite

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topics, uh, but we also talk a bit

about, uh, health trackers, such

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as the whoop and the aura ring.

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Uh, Dom uses a whoop currently

and seems to really enjoy it.

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And I have used the aura ring in the past.

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And so we're able to speak a

little bit on those and kind of.

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Give our input on what we enjoy

or what we don't enjoy about

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both of these trackers overall.

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Uh, these trackers are very beneficial

and, um, definitely if you're thinking

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about it, go ahead and check them out

and look into them a bit, but we give

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a little bit of a breakdown on those.

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And then we also talk a lot, obviously

about cold plunging and sauna sessions.

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So contrast therapy, which I know I've

spoken about on the show before, but

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it's really cool to speak with Dom

about these, uh, these tools that we

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can use and how beneficial they are.

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One thing that we were not able to

speak about, where I had forgotten

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to speak about regarding saunas was

actually utilizing some chlorophyll.

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Before we're going into a sauna.

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So if you.

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Can remember if, because a lot of times

I always forget this, but if you can

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remember before you hop into a sauna, A

few hours before getting into the sauna.

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If you can take some chlorophyll,

it is very beneficial because

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you're obviously detoxing.

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When you're in the sauna, you're

sweating a lot of toxins out.

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And when you take chlorophyll,

it can help to cleanse the blood.

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It can bind to a.

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At help remove heavy metals

from your blood as well.

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And for me personally, I mean, there's a

few different ways to do this, but I like

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to take the chlorella from energy bits

because you just get a lot of different.

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Kind of nutrients and vitamins

and different benefits from the

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chlorella, which is going to have

a ton of core fuel in it as well.

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But of course you can also just

go the traditional route of taking

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some liquid chlorophyll, still

going to be extremely beneficial.

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I know there's a company called higher

dose that also does what's called detox

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drops, uh, specifically meant for hopping

in the sauna, whatever your choice is.

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It's.

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Doesn't matter to me.

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That's a good idea to take some

chlorophyll before hopping into a

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sauna to kinda make sure you're getting

the most out of that sauna session.

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And once again, like I said,

I love to take chlorella.

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I just find that it has more

benefit because there was

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more going on with chlorella.

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It's a micro algae.

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And so if you want to get some

of that chlorella, go ahead

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and check out the show notes.

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There is a discount code

in there for 20% off.

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That's just for being a listener.

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And aside from the sauna sessions and

the cold plunge, which have a ton.

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Of benefit in my opinion.

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And I think.

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After listening to this, if you

haven't already done a ice bath and

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a sauna session, contrast therapy.

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Uh, I think you'll be

very inclined to do so.

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And last but not least.

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Of course, we talk a bit about,

uh, what health practices Dom

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has currently going on, what he's

doing to stay healthy and active.

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And of course it's a

health and wellness show.

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So we had to dig in on that a little

bit, which, uh, Dom also shared

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that he started taking colostrum.

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I was able to convince him to

finally start trying some, uh, which

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of course is the tri armor brand.

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Uh, absolutely loved their claustrum.

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It's really, really great

for the immune health.

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And that is personally the

main reason I take it is.

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Purely for my immune health.

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I feel that it's boosted it massively.

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And Dom seems to feel the same about that.

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Um, that as well is going to

be linked in the show notes.

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So if you want to check that out, go

ahead and look in the show notes and

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you'll have the link right there.

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And other than that, I'm pretty sure.

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Uh, there's a few other topics I

missed, but those are going to be the

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main topics we're going to dive into.

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So after today's episode, you're

going to have some tools to apply

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to your mindset in overcoming

difficult or scary situations.

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You're going to hear a lot

about cold plunging and.

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Uh, saunas.

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So the contrast therapy and a little

bit about these health and wellness

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trackers, the aura ring and the whoop.

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And of course all the in-between stuff.

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Hopefully a couple of laughs as well.

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And, uh, yeah.

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Hope you enjoy this episode as much

as I did because Dom is a genuinely

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great guy and I just absolutely love.

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Having the opportunity to chat with him

anytime I get the opportunity to do so.

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And it's really cool for me to be

able to bring him onto the show

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and introduce him to all of you.

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If you aren't already following

him, or you don't know who he

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is, go ahead and check them out.

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He'll also, I'll have all of his,

uh, social media in the show notes.

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So you can go ahead and find

them there and enjoy the episode.

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Y'all I really appreciate

you all being here.

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This is the very first

episode of the new year,: 2024

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So super happy to be joined by Dom on.

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on.

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this episode and yeah, to just share

all of this information with all of you.

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So anyways, I hope you

enjoyed this episode.

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Have a great one and let's get to it.

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Peace.

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It's, it's interesting.

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I have been using the whoop to

track, um, like all of my health

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data, you know, wearable tracker.

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And it's wild as soon as I get to

Montana, like typically if I fly anywhere,

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if I were to fly from, let's say Los

Angeles to New York or Miami or any

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city, usually I have a pretty noticeable

jet lag, a pretty noticeable, um, like

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lack of recovery for a day or two.

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It takes me time to adjust just

from a two or three hour flight.

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Always does that to me.

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Um, but when I go home, my recovery

improves and my HRV goes up.

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And it's interesting because I've been,

I've been paying pretty close attention to

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this, but it seems to me like going home,

your body knows like, Oh, I can rest here.

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And so it's really nice to come

back and like actually see data on

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that and be like, I'm doing good.

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So it's been nice here at home, hanging

out, getting green scores and yeah, good.

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Yeah.

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Also, well, uh, what, what's your, what

is your like sleeping score and all that?

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Like out here in LA?

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You know, it's really hit or miss.

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Um, my, I was, you know, it's, it's

really interesting how Random it is.

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I, I have a pretty consistent schedule and

what I've noticed is when I do long runs

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or when I do strenuous run, running is, is

like the most strenuous thing that I do.

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And when I run the next day,

my HRB tanks, and then, um, the

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second day it comes right back.

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And if I do a, like what I would

call a gentle contract, I think

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what like most people would call

like a normal contrast session is

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a gentle contrast session for me.

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Um, but like what I mean by gentle is

like you do a couple rounds of sauna for

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like, you know, 10, 12 minutes, somewhere

in there, a couple minutes in the cold

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plunge and, and then call it a night.

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I have great recovery.

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Um, but I like to do these

really ridiculous sessions.

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We're all like do contrast for like

7 or 8 rounds and see, you know, go

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as long as I possibly can in there.

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Like, try to make it like

14 minutes and it's 200 plus

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degrees and it's just brutal.

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And that will also.

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Sort of take my HRV,

but I get great sleep.

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So it's always like a lagging, like

two days, whatever the intervention

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is that I do, it seems that it takes

two days for me to actually, for

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the benefit to actually show up.

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Yeah.

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Um, and what I've, I've, I've

tried a lot of things lately.

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Like I'm kind of a nerd.

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I've got every single outlet

that has a light on it in my

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place has black tape over it.

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. I unplugged the wifi at night.

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Um.

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I mean, every, I unplug almost

everything except for the outlet that

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charges my phone and my refrigerator.

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Everything else gets unplugged.

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Um, so there's like no signals coming

in and I, and I also, there's no

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data that I have on this, but I also

think that when I leave, like when

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I forget to unplug something, I'm

like, Oh man, that's what it was.

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You know?

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, yeah, yeah, the mind, uh, I, I wonder

how much of a role that plays that kind

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of like, you know, get, get into your

head about like, if you're not doing

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enough and, and yeah, I, because I

had an aura ring for a while and, uh.

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It was the same deal.

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It's almost like I sometimes I would get

a little bit too into the weeds of like

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the data and then it's like, Oh, man,

like I would start thinking too much

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about it and like, almost like stressing

it a little bit, you know, and then I was

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like, All right, I mean, you need to just

like, chill out and just go to sleep.

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Like, you'll be fine, you know, and,

you know, Just avoid the like major

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things, you know, like don't eat too

close to bed, try to sleep in like

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a cooler environment, like all that.

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Um, have you tried or ring?

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I haven't tried or I would like to,

um, I think, you know, it's interesting

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with all of these trackers, like they

all, I think they all kind of have

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the same problem with their customer.

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And it's that there's two types of people.

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There's the people that want the data and

they want to know, so they can make the

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improvements and they can kind of self

coach, um, at least enough that they can.

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They can see that data and then

interpret it using the, the wearables

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platform or whatever they find online.

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Um, and then there's the people that are

like, Whoa, this is stressing me out.

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And what's funny is they all have

a trial period of like 30 days.

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Which is really just enough to get,

like, just, that's just enough time

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to understand what's not working.

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It's not necessarily enough time to figure

out what is going to, like, work for you.

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And so people will cancel their

trial while they're still in

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the, like, I don't know if it is,

like, this is stressing me out.

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Like, but you're really just

figuring out, like, what's working.

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And, like, you're just figuring

out the pattern of, like, okay,

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I'm consistently not getting enough

sleep because I'm eating too late.

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Eating too late was, like, the

biggest one for me, and it still is.

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Like I just, I'm kind of a nocturnal

person and I'm consistently trying to go

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to bed earlier and eat earlier so that

I, you know, can do all of those things.

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But I, my, my habit is

to eat late, be up late.

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Sleep in late, like I'm

a bear is my chronotype.

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So like, I just, I want to, you

know, sleep all morning basically.

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It's kind of funny, isn't it?

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That like the 30 day trial is just enough

time to know like what's not working.

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And then that's like, I feel like

people dip out because they're stressed,

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but like you're right at the edge

of where you can start to like tweak

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it and actually get the benefit.

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Yeah, I'm actually I'm a huge fan of

like anything that can truly track your

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sleep because I don't like iPhone and

Like Fitbit and stuff like they have

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tools for that, but I feel like they're

not as accurate I've seen a lot of people

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say like some of their statistics on

it and it just doesn't really line up

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whereas I feel like the aura ring and

stuff I hear from the whoop is like

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It's pretty pretty freaking accurate.

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And the only thing I didn't like

about aura ring Was the fact

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that it's on your hand, right?

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So like at the time I was, I was doing

air conditioning at the time, which is

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like very obviously manual labor and uh,

I would be lifting super heavy things and

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like sometimes like even my fingers would

get pinched in something and it's like.

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The ring was kind of nice because it would

stop it from fully like clamping down on

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my hand, but I'm pretty sure I put like

little micro fractures in the ring because

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over time it started not, um, it started

to not hold a charge over time, which I'm

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guessing is probably a mixture of like me

putting stress fractures on it and then

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like dipping it in water or something.

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So, um, that was my only

thing I didn't really like.

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Whereas with the whoop,

it's on your wrist.

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It's like a watch, you

know, which is much more.

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Yeah, I think it's just kind of

like a better placement for it.

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But, um, I, other than

that, I love the ordering.

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I feel like everything that it

was doing was very beneficial.

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And like you said, even, even the times

where I was like stressing out because I

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would like get so into the weeds of it.

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Um, I still found that beneficial

because it's like you're really

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trying to find that perfect window

of like what's working for you.

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And having that knowledge

is super beneficial.

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Sean.

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And yeah, about like, I mean, people

have a difficult time with not eating

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late at night, which can take more than

30 days to really break the habit, which

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it might even take more time than that.

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You know what I mean?

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So for me, it's taking

more time than that.

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I mean, it's, it's still, it's still

probably happens at least once a week.

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And I know, like, I know it's, I'm like,

this is going to, this is going to tank.

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And then I'll wake up the next morning

and I have like 54 percent recovery.

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I'm like, well, you know,

that's why, like, I know.

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Yeah.

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But I like that it's consistently

showing me like, Hey, as long as you

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continue to do these, behave this way

or do these things, you're going to

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have these outputs that you don't like.

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Like that's how it's going to work.

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You know?

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Like it's a good reinforcement for me.

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You're like, okay.

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Eventually I get to the point where I

go, okay, I don't want to wake up in the

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L you know, in the yellow or the orange

and I want to, I want to feel good.

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So yeah.

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Yeah.

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It's, it is.

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It's extremely beneficial.

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I think, um, it's with anything like.

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What is a test, not guess, you know,

it's, yeah, it's, it's really the one

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way of, of truly knowing what works.

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But I w I was also, I was thinking

back to what you said with your, like

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going home and then sleeping well and

like knowing that you're, you're home.

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And I wonder if like, cause is

that your family home right there?

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Like, is that like what you, the

house you grew up in pretty much?

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Yeah.

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I mean, been here for 15,

they've been here for 15 years.

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Okay, cool.

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: 00:15:55

Cause I was wondering,

I'm like, I wonder if.

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It's just wherever your family

is that feels like home, right?

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Like, like not necessarily your

childhood home, but rather like wherever

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your parents are based out of and

just like going back to their house.

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Like if you sleep better, just,

just knowing you're like in good

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company, you know what I mean?

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I bet that is the case.

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: 00:16:14

Um, I bet if you could test it over

time that you would find that I

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have a really interesting story.

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: 00:16:19

So when I first started wearing,

um, the whoop, I like, you know,

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the first week is basically just

getting a baseline established.

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: 00:16:29

And then the second week, um, I was

having kind of a rough, or I had, I think

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I had a decent week is what happened.

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: 00:16:37

I had a decent week.

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And then the third week

I had a rough week.

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: 00:16:39

So I was like, I've

been doing really well.

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And then I was like in the

yellow, wasn't recovering well,

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working a ton, was traveling.

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And I went.

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: 00:16:50

Um, I had a full week and I, on a Friday

night, I had been invited to, um, still

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: 00:16:55

life, this meditation studio in Venice.

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: 00:16:58

I'd been doing their, their coaching

program and it was like their kind of

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: 00:17:03

like a graduation ceremony for having

completed the six month program.

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: 00:17:06

And it was everyone that was

in the program getting together

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: 00:17:09

and having a dinner together.

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: 00:17:11

And this was on a Friday.

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: 00:17:13

I had had yellow recovery scores all

week and I had slept very little the

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: 00:17:17

night before and it was a ridiculous,

like, it was like a 10 hour day that

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I had got up and just worked straight

through hardly a, like, just no time.

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And I almost canceled.

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I almost didn't go.

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: 00:17:28

And I was like, I really

want to see everybody.

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: 00:17:29

I really want to say thank you to the

people that put the program together.

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: 00:17:33

So I go in that evening, we have

the dinner and the next morning

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I woke up and I was in the green.

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: 00:17:40

My HIV was the highest

it had been in a week.

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: 00:17:44

And the only thing that was different

the whole week was that I had spent

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: 00:17:48

three hours that evening with people that

were like minded, that had just done the

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: 00:17:53

same program as me, that were, what you

might say, like energetically matched.

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: 00:17:57

That was the only thing

that was different.

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: 00:17:58

Like I, I still ate kind of late.

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: 00:18:00

I still like didn't nourish myself

properly throughout the day.

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: 00:18:03

I had a crazy stressful day and I was

like, Whoa, that was the first time

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: 00:18:08

where I was like, wow, there's a huge

impact on community and your autonomic

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: 00:18:13

nervous system and the connection.

353

: 00:18:15

So how, how your nervous system

is responding to connection

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: 00:18:18

and to feeling like you belong.

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: 00:18:20

There's like a massive impact here

that I think we don't even really

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: 00:18:24

understand the implication of yeah.

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: 00:18:27

Yeah, I'm for sure I think you just

absolutely activated your parasympathetic

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: 00:18:31

nervous system being around that group of

people and yeah Just feeling like you're

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: 00:18:36

in a comfortable setting, you know and

able to like really just like let it go

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: 00:18:39

and relax It could be a hard thing to

do especially at nighttime I think like

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: 00:18:43

that's a time where people think a lot and

I think Um, like you mentioned doing the

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: 00:18:47

sauna at night, that's a great opportunity

to first off just clear your head.

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: 00:18:52

Like it's a meditative experience in

many ways, but I also, what was it like?

364

: 00:18:56

I know Huberman was talking about, um,

like temperature and cortisol or melatonin

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: 00:19:02

release is like directly related.

366

: 00:19:04

So that's why when you have the

decrease in what was like one

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: 00:19:08

degree body temperature, that's

what like starts to activate the

368

: 00:19:11

release of melatonin or something.

369

: 00:19:12

So I know that using a hot sauna as well

is like supposed to be really good for.

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: 00:19:17

Going to bed because then your temperature

like your core body temperature will drop.

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: 00:19:20

But yeah, super interesting stuff.

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: 00:19:21

Um, yeah Yeah, I I think we

definitely need to test that.

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: 00:19:25

Uh sleep and community and like

parasympathetic Relation like I

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: 00:19:31

think there's a lot there Yeah, I'm

super, I'm super interested in that.

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: 00:19:35

And I think that, um, it just seems like

sort of the trend going into: 2024

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: 00:19:40

I think 2024 is a year of the sauna.

377

: 00:19:43

Um, everyone, everyone's going to be

doing more sauna in: 2024

378

: 00:19:48

have in their previous probably ever.

379

: 00:19:51

But, uh, at least people are

generation that that's the same.

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: 00:19:55

Um, I think 2024 is a year of

the sauna and I think also.

381

: 00:20:00

We're going to see that the trend of

social wellness is sticking like people

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: 00:20:06

are, um, it's not just a novelty thing.

383

: 00:20:09

We're like, oh, I do this workout and

I do a cold plunge with my friends.

384

: 00:20:12

It's going to become like the

sticking point where people,

385

: 00:20:15

this is like what we do, like.

386

: 00:20:17

It's our tradition.

387

: 00:20:19

Uh, it's as much a tradition to go sauna

and plunge or, you know, do a workout and

388

: 00:20:24

then plunge with your friends as it is

to watch football on Sunday afternoon.

389

: 00:20:28

I think it's going to like

really stick this year.

390

: 00:20:31

Yeah.

391

: 00:20:31

Yeah.

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: 00:20:32

100%.

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: 00:20:32

And I mean, you see it at all of

the gyms all around the place.

394

: 00:20:37

Like now, like, cold plunges are

becoming a very common thing.

395

: 00:20:39

Whereas sauna used to, Be a pretty stand

like for the most part standard item, but

396

: 00:20:44

now you're seeing the cold plunges getting

in there as well So it's kind of becoming

397

: 00:20:47

just this like added piece of health and

wellness where people are making it more

398

: 00:20:52

of like not just a One time experience but

rather like a habit and a practice which

399

: 00:20:56

is it's super cool and crazy beneficial I

like one of the things I love is a buddy

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: 00:21:01

of mine did he's probably actually I think

he's almost at day 365 but he's doing

401

: 00:21:07

you know a full year of cold plunges And,

uh, one thing he said, he was like, ego

402

: 00:21:12

plays like no role in this because he's

like, because there's times where I'll

403

: 00:21:17

go and I'm like, yeah, I got this dude.

404

: 00:21:18

I'm on day 300 of cold plunge.

405

: 00:21:21

Like this is easy, like

not an issue, you know?

406

: 00:21:23

He's like, and then you hop in

there and immediately like the cold

407

: 00:21:25

is just like, you're nobody dude.

408

: 00:21:27

You're like, I'm, I'm going to be

cold regardless of how strong you

409

: 00:21:31

are, of how many times you do this,

like it's going to hurt and suck

410

: 00:21:34

every single time you get in here.

411

: 00:21:36

And so it's just one of

those things where it's like.

412

: 00:21:38

Super humbling right and like of of all

the like health benefits that it poses

413

: 00:21:44

I think one of the best things is just

like it's it's gonna kick your ass every

414

: 00:21:48

single time And like it's gonna make you

very humble, you know, and like I love

415

: 00:21:52

that, you know because you get start

to get strong lifting weights and then

416

: 00:21:55

You look cool, like lifting super heavy

stuff, but like what it doesn't matter.

417

: 00:21:59

I always say it's a great equalizer,

uh, because you know, like the person,

418

: 00:22:04

the person that is the loudest in

the room and the most confident is

419

: 00:22:07

typically going to have the, uh, the

sort of the worst reaction to it.

420

: 00:22:13

And then the person who's like,

who's kind of doubts themselves.

421

: 00:22:15

And it was like, I don't know that

typically they'll like tap in and you're

422

: 00:22:19

like, Whoa, where did that come from?

423

: 00:22:20

You know, it's always

like, it's funny too.

424

: 00:22:22

It's.

425

: 00:22:22

It's oftentimes like the yoga girlies

that, you know, you'll see some,

426

: 00:22:26

someone that like, doesn't look

like they have the body type that

427

: 00:22:28

would be able to handle the cold.

428

: 00:22:30

And then they just drop in and

you're like, Whoa, that's incredible.

429

: 00:22:34

You know, they're just like able

to mind over matter the whole

430

: 00:22:36

thing and connect to the breath.

431

: 00:22:37

And then you have someone who's,

who looks macho and looks like

432

: 00:22:41

they're going to be able to crush it.

433

: 00:22:42

And then they're, they're having

a, you know, total panic attack.

434

: 00:22:45

Like it's so, it's so classic.

435

: 00:22:47

That's how it goes.

436

: 00:22:49

Yeah.

437

: 00:22:49

And Dom, where, when did you

start doing cold plunges?

438

: 00:22:52

Like what, what got you into it?

439

: 00:22:54

Yeah.

440

: 00:22:54

So my, my experience with cold

exposure is kind of interesting.

441

: 00:22:59

I actually got really

interested in it in: 2019

442

: 00:23:02

Um, I, 2018, I've been following

this guru, uh, in Los Angeles.

443

: 00:23:08

His name was certified

health nut on Instagram.

444

: 00:23:11

Troy Casey is his real name.

445

: 00:23:13

And he would, he was doing all kinds of

education on Wim Hof method, and he was

446

: 00:23:18

doing these um, ice baths in his backyard

and doing a lot of men's coaching.

447

: 00:23:23

I was super interested in what he

was up to and just his holistic

448

: 00:23:26

approach to health and wellness.

449

: 00:23:28

He wrote a book called ripped at 50 and,

you know, at the time he's 50 years old.

450

: 00:23:33

He looks phenomenal And I was

following him and I he was like a

451

: 00:23:38

little quirky and kind of comedic and

goofy And I was like, is he serious?

452

: 00:23:42

Like is this is this a gimmick

and in January of: 2019

453

: 00:23:47

I was in a motorcycle wreck and

I was going through a sort of a

454

: 00:23:51

breakup with in my relationship and

there's a rough spot and I broke

455

: 00:23:57

my hand in the motorcycle wreck.

456

: 00:23:59

My relationship was a mess.

457

: 00:24:00

My life was just kind of chaotic.

458

: 00:24:02

And I was like, man, I

really need like some help.

459

: 00:24:05

I need to like, I felt emotionally

just completely blown out and afraid.

460

: 00:24:09

I was like, I need help.

461

: 00:24:11

So I, I called this guy up and I was

like, Hey, I want to work with you.

462

: 00:24:14

And, um, I went and did this

coaching session with him and we

463

: 00:24:20

spent hours with him and we covered

everything from nutrition to sleep

464

: 00:24:24

to what he calls the four doctors.

465

: 00:24:26

Um, and it kind of went through

like his whole method of

466

: 00:24:30

like, of holistic wellness.

467

: 00:24:31

And the last piece was like, I was like,

I really want to get into cold exposure.

468

: 00:24:36

And he's like, would

you know how to breathe?

469

: 00:24:37

And I was like, I don't, I don't know.

470

: 00:24:39

And so he's like, well, let's,

let's do some breath work.

471

: 00:24:41

So we sit down and it was my first

time ever doing breath work and

472

: 00:24:44

he's got me doing breath of fire.

473

: 00:24:46

And I remember getting lightheaded,

like, you know, maybe 30 breaths in

474

: 00:24:51

and I'm like, Oh, that's, that's a lot.

475

: 00:24:52

You know, that's, that's a lot.

476

: 00:24:54

And I was kind of embarrassed.

477

: 00:24:55

Like, this is crazy.

478

: 00:24:56

And he's like, no, you

got to keep breathing.

479

: 00:24:58

And I'm breathing intensely,

breathing, breathing, breathing,

480

: 00:25:00

breathing, you know, like this, right?

481

: 00:25:04

And I remember, like, I snotted a

little bit and he, like, grabbed a paper

482

: 00:25:08

towel and, like, wiped my nose and,

like, wouldn't let me stop breathing.

483

: 00:25:11

And then when I finally

stopped, I was like, Whoa, I

484

: 00:25:14

mean, I felt like I was high.

485

: 00:25:16

I was like, this is out of control.

486

: 00:25:19

And it was the container that he had

created and the space he created was

487

: 00:25:24

very powerful and I felt very like

comfortable to do what I was doing.

488

: 00:25:27

I was uncomfortable internally with

the experience, but he created a really

489

: 00:25:31

awesome environment for me to do this.

490

: 00:25:33

And.

491

: 00:25:34

I was like, man, that, whatever

that was, that was wild.

492

: 00:25:37

And he's like, so you're

gonna do that every morning.

493

: 00:25:39

You're going to do some, you know, basic

Qigong movements that he showed me.

494

: 00:25:43

Um, and you do cold showers.

495

: 00:25:44

And so I started doing these cold showers

and mind you, this motorcycle wreck I'd

496

: 00:25:47

been in, I, my whole back was scabbed up.

497

: 00:25:49

Like I pretty bad road rash.

498

: 00:25:52

And so I'm like doing full showers in

the morning and like this, you know, it

499

: 00:25:56

was so rough and very quickly within a

few days it went from being brutal, you

500

: 00:26:03

know, just total dread in the morning

to like, wow, I feel really good.

501

: 00:26:06

Like I feel like I can take

on the world when I do this.

502

: 00:26:09

Um, and so I spent that whole year, 2018

touring with a country music artist.

503

: 00:26:16

And, um, doing marketing on his tour

and I would do these cold showers in the

504

: 00:26:22

morning, sort of as like a hangover cure.

505

: 00:26:24

So I was like biohacking my way through

like this whiskey, you know, door

506

: 00:26:31

and Friday night, Saturday night,

you're out doing the whole thing.

507

: 00:26:34

And then, you know, you're taking

cold showers in the morning

508

: 00:26:37

and be like, I'm still alive.

509

: 00:26:38

I still got it, you know?

510

: 00:26:40

Um, and that was kind of the, that

was the kind of my entry to it.

511

: 00:26:44

And I, I, uh.

512

: 00:26:47

I really found it to be transformative

and helpful to me in my mindset.

513

: 00:26:51

I felt really good.

514

: 00:26:52

And so I was using them cold showers

consistently, and I was doing them for

515

: 00:26:56

weeks at a time, um, without any break.

516

: 00:27:00

And it was just kind of a biohack

and it wasn't much more than that.

517

: 00:27:03

But I think it planted the seed

of like what happened next.

518

: 00:27:06

And that was, you know, the pandemic

happening, the pandemic happening.

519

: 00:27:10

I sobered up.

520

: 00:27:11

I quit drinking alcohol, any

form and, um, dedicated myself

521

: 00:27:16

to cold showers every day.

522

: 00:27:18

And I was using that as

a tool because I knew.

523

: 00:27:20

I, I was already struggling with

depression, but I knew that this was going

524

: 00:27:24

to be a good thing for me just to have

the discipline of doing the hard thing.

525

: 00:27:28

And as I was getting sober and

as I was drying out, um, a lot

526

: 00:27:34

of things started showing up for

me that I had never addressed.

527

: 00:27:37

Things that just, I never was even

conscious of like, Hey, this is something

528

: 00:27:41

that, you know, you need to heal.

529

: 00:27:44

That was, that was underlying in my life.

530

: 00:27:46

And the cold seemed to be a way for me

to like, just navigate those feelings

531

: 00:27:51

and it was like giving me a reset.

532

: 00:27:52

So instead of feeling like, you

know, stress or anxious, I was

533

: 00:27:55

like, I actually feel really

good if I do this in the morning.

534

: 00:27:57

So that's how I got started.

535

: 00:27:59

Um, and then it, you know, led to.

536

: 00:28:01

Where I'm at now, or, uh, it's been a

very transformative thing in my life.

537

: 00:28:06

Yeah.

538

: 00:28:06

Yeah.

539

: 00:28:07

It's uh, it's really like an interesting

process there with, with the ice

540

: 00:28:12

and, and cold plunges and all that.

541

: 00:28:14

And I know Wim Hof has, has a, a story

as well behind his whole experience

542

: 00:28:18

with using the cold as a teacher.

543

: 00:28:20

But I really do think that one of

the, the most beneficial things

544

: 00:28:25

about like a cold plunge as well,

is that if you're going through

545

: 00:28:30

like a difficult time, a depressive

time, whatever it might be is like.

546

: 00:28:34

You're kind of stuck in this, uh, this

mentality, this, like, physical feeling

547

: 00:28:39

where, like, you just don't feel good,

you know, and it's hard to shake that

548

: 00:28:43

feeling, it's hard to, like, change your

mindset and elevate your, your vibra

549

: 00:28:47

your, your vibration and frequency and

all that to, like, a higher form, um, and

550

: 00:28:52

I think what's cool about the cold plunge

is, like, if you do a cold plunge for 90

551

: 00:28:57

seconds, 3 minutes, whatever it is, You're

going to come out of that and you're

552

: 00:29:01

going to be radically changed because

you radically changed your physical

553

: 00:29:05

environment and that, you know, shifts

the neuroepinephrine levels to a point

554

: 00:29:11

where you're going to feel amazing, right?

555

: 00:29:12

And so it's going to kind of like, get

you into this state where you can start

556

: 00:29:17

feeling better and thinking better.

557

: 00:29:19

And I think that.

558

: 00:29:20

That kind of sets like a cascade for

you to then start doing that internal

559

: 00:29:24

work and feeling better about yourself

and, and looking at yourself and, and

560

: 00:29:28

the issues you're going through in a

better light, not one that's going to

561

: 00:29:31

like bring you down more, but rather

you'll be able to look at it and

562

: 00:29:35

see like, where are you going wrong?

563

: 00:29:37

And what, what do you need to fix?

564

: 00:29:38

And what do you need to do better?

565

: 00:29:39

Um, and I think that's so important.

566

: 00:29:40

And, and, you know, physical movement

is a way of doing that as well.

567

: 00:29:43

Just anything that gets you and your

body moving and feeling better to

568

: 00:29:47

break up that cycle, because it's.

569

: 00:29:49

If you sit in that depressive state,

it's just going to eat you alive, you

570

: 00:29:53

know, and you're going to continue to

wallow in it and it's going to continue

571

: 00:29:56

to take you down and down and down.

572

: 00:29:58

And, uh, you know, especially if you're

surrounded with people that aren't helping

573

: 00:30:01

to uplift you and do things for you.

574

: 00:30:04

So I feel like the cold plunge, I

mean, it's great for many things,

575

: 00:30:08

but really it is such a, it's

an internal practice as well.

576

: 00:30:11

You have to, you have to still the mind.

577

: 00:30:13

It's going to make you

feel great afterwards.

578

: 00:30:15

It's, it's doing a good chunk of the

work, you know, and then, um, you

579

: 00:30:20

know, of course then you do, you have

to, you have to get real with yourself

580

: 00:30:23

afterwards and still think about,

you know, what you're going through.

581

: 00:30:25

But I, I just, I like the fact

that it really pulls you out

582

: 00:30:28

of that state, like physically.

583

: 00:30:29

And, uh, if any, for anyone that's

done a cold plunge, like, you know,

584

: 00:30:32

the high you feel for like two to four

hours afterwards is it's incredible.

585

: 00:30:37

So, um, yeah, I can only imagine

that that was a huge benefit for you.

586

: 00:30:42

Yeah, it definitely was.

587

: 00:30:43

I like what you're saying too.

588

: 00:30:44

You know, like there's exercise, exercise

for sure that creates a state change,

589

: 00:30:49

goal plunging creates a state change.

590

: 00:30:50

I think that's the most important thing

when you're, when you're in a, you

591

: 00:30:53

know, being depressed is just a state.

592

: 00:30:55

You're just in a depressed state, right?

593

: 00:30:57

Being anxious is a state.

594

: 00:30:58

Like you are not anxiety.

595

: 00:31:00

You are not depression.

596

: 00:31:01

Like that's not who you are.

597

: 00:31:03

Um, it's something you're experiencing.

598

: 00:31:05

It's a state that you're in.

599

: 00:31:06

And, um, just the same as, uh, you know,

feeling powerful is a state and it's up to

600

: 00:31:14

you to cultivate that state for yourself

and to be in that, in that energetic

601

: 00:31:18

state and in that energetic position.

602

: 00:31:20

And when you do things that, um,

limited or, or basically, you know,

603

: 00:31:26

um, take away your ability to enable

yourself to do those things, then

604

: 00:31:31

you're going to feel powerless.

605

: 00:31:33

You're going to feel like you

put yourself in a situation

606

: 00:31:35

where you're powerless a lot.

607

: 00:31:36

You're going to feel powerless if

you put yourself in a situation

608

: 00:31:38

where you feel powerful, you're like,

wow, I actually feel really good.

609

: 00:31:41

I'm proud of myself for overcoming that

challenging thing and that's the merit

610

: 00:31:45

behind exercise and plunge and even

doing sauna to the point of urgency.

611

: 00:31:49

Which I talk a lot about

is like understanding what

612

: 00:31:52

urgency feels like in the body.

613

: 00:31:53

When I coach people through sauna

and cold and even exercise now, at

614

: 00:31:57

what point are you feeling like you

urgently need to get out and what

615

: 00:32:01

does that feel like in your body?

616

: 00:32:03

And then understanding that

then allows you to push that a

617

: 00:32:07

little bit further down the road.

618

: 00:32:08

So like, okay, I feel urgent right now.

619

: 00:32:10

I'm going to connect to my breath.

620

: 00:32:11

I'm going to slow my breathing down.

621

: 00:32:12

I'm going to consciously navigate this.

622

: 00:32:15

And then you're like, Oh, that, that

feeling of urgency kind of goes away

623

: 00:32:18

and then it's going to come back again.

624

: 00:32:19

And then you go, okay,

that's what that feels like.

625

: 00:32:21

Pass it.

626

: 00:32:22

Eventually you have to get out.

627

: 00:32:23

Right?

628

: 00:32:23

It's too hot.

629

: 00:32:24

In the case of Asana, it's

too cold and cold plunging.

630

: 00:32:27

You've got to get out for your own

safety, but the first one to three waves

631

: 00:32:32

of urgency are definitely not going to

put you in, in the risk of, of danger.

632

: 00:32:36

Like you can absolutely get past that

first one, one to three waves of urgency.

633

: 00:32:41

And that's a great place to start

to figure out that threshold of

634

: 00:32:43

like, how do I respond to that?

635

: 00:32:45

To, you know, stress or this feeling

in the moment and then that parlays

636

: 00:32:50

into work, your social life, you got

to talk to your boss about something

637

: 00:32:54

that's, you know, not going great or

your relationship, you need to bring

638

: 00:32:57

up something that, you know, needs to

be addressed or even with your parents,

639

: 00:33:00

there's something that you need to

talk about, you urgently feel like

640

: 00:33:03

you don't want to do it, you know, and

then you like really do need to do it.

641

: 00:33:07

It gives you the ability to,

um, navigate those, those

642

: 00:33:10

situations and those scenarios.

643

: 00:33:12

Yeah.

644

: 00:33:13

Yeah.

645

: 00:33:13

And I mean, I think also the

mind is just so like, it wants to

646

: 00:33:18

keep the body comfortable, like

that's safe, safe and comfortable.

647

: 00:33:22

Yeah.

648

: 00:33:22

Right.

649

: 00:33:22

And I mean, like most of our

technology that we have right now

650

: 00:33:26

is I feel like purely based on

convenience and comfortability.

651

: 00:33:29

And, uh, which is nice.

652

: 00:33:32

It's definitely nice.

653

: 00:33:33

But, uh, yeah, it's, it's interesting

to notice that how the mind will work.

654

: 00:33:37

And like the second you get into the

cold plunge, like you'll see it on

655

: 00:33:39

people's faces when they don't expect it.

656

: 00:33:41

And they're like, Oh my God,

like I need to get out of here.

657

: 00:33:44

And it's just that immediate

like first thought.

658

: 00:33:46

And, uh, I think in most situations,

that first thought that arises,

659

: 00:33:50

it's usually not the best thought.

660

: 00:33:52

Like, it's usually not even like,

Like when you should really act on

661

: 00:33:55

you should usually like sit with that

for a couple seconds and see like

662

: 00:33:58

like analyze that and go from there.

663

: 00:34:00

Um, and I know like I was, uh, I

became certified as a yoga instructor

664

: 00:34:05

and like the last 11 days of our

training was purely meditation.

665

: 00:34:10

And so we would do these, uh,

like 2 hour morning sessions and

666

: 00:34:13

then we would do a 4 hour, uh,

evening session and, uh, I've like.

667

: 00:34:18

Literally before that probably meditated

like 30 minutes in one session, you

668

: 00:34:22

know, so there's nothing like that

And I just remember in the four hour

669

: 00:34:26

sessions like your mind wants to talk

so badly and just give you thoughts

670

: 00:34:34

that it there were times where I would

be meditating and I would have The most

671

: 00:34:38

vivid random memories of my childhood,

like me buying ice cream from the ice

672

: 00:34:44

cream man and I could remember like the

exact cost of the ice cream and like just

673

: 00:34:48

everything like down to the T and it was

just like, why, why am I thinking this?

674

: 00:34:53

But it was like the brain

was just trying to give you

675

: 00:34:55

anything that it possibly could.

676

: 00:34:57

And so it's just wild how how that

works and like finding out that you can

677

: 00:35:01

kind of become like a master of that

and not get like tied up in the it.

678

: 00:35:05

Thoughts that it's just throwing your

way, you know, and like not all of

679

: 00:35:08

them are really the best ones like I

think uh cold plunge is is super good

680

: 00:35:12

for that as well because it you have

to you have to like You have to ignore

681

: 00:35:16

that first thought of like, Oh my God,

get out of this water immediately.

682

: 00:35:19

This is a bad idea.

683

: 00:35:21

And same with heat.

684

: 00:35:22

You know, if once you get that,

that first threshold of, you know,

685

: 00:35:26

resistance, wherever that is, like

it could be six minutes in or 10

686

: 00:35:29

minutes in depending on how hot it is.

687

: 00:35:31

You, but when you hit that first

wave of like, Oh, it's too hot.

688

: 00:35:34

Like I really, I think, uh, cold has

become easier for me to navigate.

689

: 00:35:41

He is still pretty challenging for me.

690

: 00:35:43

Like I, I really want to get

out when I want to get out.

691

: 00:35:47

And so it's a good, it's almost like

the cold points all over again for me.

692

: 00:35:51

Cause it gives me the chance to

like push through that and be

693

: 00:35:53

like, Nope, you're staying in here.

694

: 00:35:55

You know.

695

: 00:35:55

Yeah, I love it.

696

: 00:35:57

That's so cool.

697

: 00:35:58

And sorry, Dom.

698

: 00:35:59

I know like, um, you had for the

listeners who don't know, like, I

699

: 00:36:03

know this obviously, but, um, you

had open heart surgery, correct?

700

: 00:36:07

Like, not that long ago.

701

: 00:36:09

Yeah.

702

: 00:36:09

Um, about, I guess, over 10 months

ago now, um, open heart surgery.

703

: 00:36:15

So I had my aortic valve

and my aortic root replaced.

704

: 00:36:19

Um, and I was, so I was born

with a, uh, a heart condition.

705

: 00:36:23

I had what was called a bicuspid valve.

706

: 00:36:24

So most people would have,

um, Um, like three leaflets.

707

: 00:36:27

I had two on my aorta

and I live a great life.

708

: 00:36:33

I had a, um, an emergency

surgery as an infant.

709

: 00:36:36

I had a repair done.

710

: 00:36:38

And then I lived this great life where

I really had minimal restrictions.

711

: 00:36:42

I was physically fit, physically active.

712

: 00:36:44

Um, and I was able to do,

you know, a lot of things.

713

: 00:36:48

And, um, I knew that the day would

come where I would have to have the

714

: 00:36:52

surgery and I'd have this, um, aorta.

715

: 00:36:55

Valve and this replacement surgery.

716

: 00:36:58

I did not know about the

root needing to be replaced.

717

: 00:37:01

I didn't even know that was a thing.

718

: 00:37:03

And so my story is in 2020 when the

pandemic hit, I really struggled with

719

: 00:37:10

depression, a state of depression

and a state of anxiety and a state

720

: 00:37:13

of feeling like I had kind of failed

my, my business was not doing well.

721

: 00:37:20

I hadn't set myself up financially.

722

: 00:37:22

I had to move out of this apartment

that I'd worked very hard, you know,

723

: 00:37:25

to live in, in Venice, California,

and I had to move in with my parents.

724

: 00:37:29

I was 31 and I really just kind of felt

like I had wasted my entire twenties.

725

: 00:37:33

I had done a lot of fun stuff and a

lot of cool stuff, but I felt like

726

: 00:37:37

I didn't have any real work to show

for, um, what I, what I'd done.

727

: 00:37:42

And there was a series of

situations that kind of.

728

: 00:37:46

The way they all landed at, I

was in a very, very rough spot.

729

: 00:37:49

I was incredibly broke.

730

: 00:37:51

I was in debt and I had to make

the tough call of like, all right,

731

: 00:37:55

I have to basically start over.

732

: 00:37:57

And in that time I really struggled

with, um, even wanting to, you

733

: 00:38:02

know, be alive and continue.

734

: 00:38:03

I, I wanted to just tap out.

735

: 00:38:06

I was like, well, it's too hard.

736

: 00:38:08

It's just too challenging.

737

: 00:38:09

Like, I don't feel like I, I don't think

I have it in me to, to do this again.

738

: 00:38:14

And I was able to find,

um, a reason to keep going.

739

: 00:38:19

And a huge piece of that was consistently

doing, you know, uh, cold exposure,

740

: 00:38:25

consistently exercising, really focusing

on the nutrition I put in my body.

741

: 00:38:29

Those things really added up.

742

: 00:38:32

Um, and I was able to pretty

quickly get out of that state.

743

: 00:38:35

Like within a few months I was able to get

out of that state and kind of completely

744

: 00:38:39

reframe like who I was, my whole identity.

745

: 00:38:41

I got incredibly strong,

worked out like nonstop.

746

: 00:38:45

I had a great, um, trainer that I was

working out with and put on a muscle

747

: 00:38:50

like I've never put on before, put on

strength like I've never had, but on

748

: 00:38:54

endurance that I'd never had before.

749

: 00:38:56

And then one day in the gym, mind

you, this is, this is now: 2021

750

: 00:39:01

So it's.

751

: 00:39:02

Maybe six months after this whole

ordeal where I've been super depressed.

752

: 00:39:05

I've like come out of it And I've

now really found this a new identity

753

: 00:39:08

and being Fit and strong and capable.

754

: 00:39:12

And I had this moment in the gym where

I, I thought I was having a heart attack.

755

: 00:39:16

I was like, I'm having a

stroke or a heart attack.

756

: 00:39:18

Something's happening.

757

: 00:39:19

My vision's blurred.

758

: 00:39:20

And I walked up to the front counter

at the, at the gym and walking.

759

: 00:39:26

It was like in those movies where people

were intoxicated, you know, and it's like

760

: 00:39:28

the whole screen's kinda like shifting.

761

: 00:39:30

And you're like, whoa, whoa.

762

: 00:39:32

And I got there and I

held onto the counter.

763

: 00:39:35

And the guy that works at the gym,

he's like, you need something?

764

: 00:39:38

And I just stared at him and

I was like, I don't know.

765

: 00:39:41

And he was like, what?

766

: 00:39:44

He's like, all right, well, let

me know if you need something.

767

: 00:39:46

I was like, okay.

768

: 00:39:47

But in my mind, I was like,

do I have this guy call 911?

769

: 00:39:50

Like what's happening?

770

: 00:39:52

Um, and I'm like raising my right arm.

771

: 00:39:55

I'm like, okay, so it's not a stroke.

772

: 00:39:56

Like I got my face, you know,

like what's, what's happening?

773

: 00:39:59

I'm having a heart attack.

774

: 00:40:01

And so I went over to my gym bag.

775

: 00:40:03

I always carry aspirin with me

and I chewed up a couple aspirin.

776

: 00:40:07

And I was like, all right,

I guess I'll be okay.

777

: 00:40:09

And I recovered, but I didn't feel right.

778

: 00:40:13

All the blood drained out of my face.

779

: 00:40:14

My face was white.

780

: 00:40:16

Didn't feel right.

781

: 00:40:18

Went home, slept for 14 hours.

782

: 00:40:20

Woke up the next morning,

still didn't feel right.

783

: 00:40:23

I was like, something's way, way off here.

784

: 00:40:26

Um, so I called my cardiologist,

went and saw my cardiologist.

785

: 00:40:29

And found out that I had

this aneurysm in my aorta.

786

: 00:40:33

And they're like, hey, we don't know what

that whole thing was that just happened.

787

: 00:40:36

The whole incident.

788

: 00:40:37

But what we do know is that

you can't lift weights anymore.

789

: 00:40:39

And.

790

: 00:40:40

You're going to need

surgery sooner than later.

791

: 00:40:44

And it was a total gut punch because

here I am, you know, six months into

792

: 00:40:49

this sort of healing journey and, you

know, feeling like this new person, like

793

: 00:40:53

the world's in front, the world's my

oyster, like my mindset's strong, I can

794

: 00:40:57

do whatever I can take on any challenge.

795

: 00:40:59

And then it's like, Oh, the

big challenge now is like.

796

: 00:41:02

This whole identity that you've

just created, that's not who

797

: 00:41:04

you're going to be anymore.

798

: 00:41:05

You know, the doctor's saying like

explicitly don't lift more than

799

: 00:41:08

40 pounds, you know, and I'm, I

was like really proud of my head.

800

: 00:41:11

Like I just binged 205 the other day.

801

: 00:41:13

Like, you know, like I'm

hitting new records here.

802

: 00:41:16

Like I'm doing great.

803

: 00:41:17

And he's like, yeah, you can't do that.

804

: 00:41:20

That feeling was, You know, just

like, Whoa, who, who are you now?

805

: 00:41:26

Like, what are you, what's even the point.

806

: 00:41:28

And right, right there, it goes right

back to that feeling of like, okay,

807

: 00:41:32

I want to tap out, you know, like,

what's, what's the point of doing this.

808

: 00:41:37

And I, and I let myself

feel that for maybe a day.

809

: 00:41:39

And then I was like, no, I made a

commitment to myself that no matter how

810

: 00:41:42

hard things get, like, so then that's

where the mindset really came in.

811

: 00:41:46

And I was working with a

mindset coach at the time.

812

: 00:41:49

And that was an important, important

piece of this whole story is.

813

: 00:41:53

Um, as I was getting out of debt, as

I was working and building my, my life

814

: 00:41:57

back, I had the option to be a little

bit more comfortable or to spend the

815

: 00:42:03

extra money and work with a coach.

816

: 00:42:04

And I decided to invest money

into coaching and continue

817

: 00:42:09

living at my parents for free.

818

: 00:42:11

Um, which thank God that I had

parents that would let me live

819

: 00:42:13

with them, um, in my thirties.

820

: 00:42:15

But, uh, that, that was an important

piece cause I didn't know that

821

: 00:42:19

obviously this heart thing was going

to come down the pipeline like that.

822

: 00:42:22

And when I hit that point, I think

if I hadn't had the coach, it

823

: 00:42:25

really would have, I think it would

have been a lot harder for me.

824

: 00:42:28

I don't know what I would have done,

but I was able to take that moment and

825

: 00:42:33

go, okay, this is going to be fuel.

826

: 00:42:34

Like if I signed up for this

challenging life, then this is the

827

: 00:42:39

challenge that's in front of me.

828

: 00:42:40

And like, I get to take this on, like I

get to take this on, I get to overcome it.

829

: 00:42:45

And so I moved back to Los Angeles

and I joined a startup and the

830

: 00:42:49

startup failed within five months.

831

: 00:42:51

And I was like, man, this road is just

getting tough, you know, like I, I know

832

: 00:42:56

the surgery is coming down the pipeline,

mind you, I was still working out, but

833

: 00:43:00

I was no longer lifting heavyweights.

834

: 00:43:01

I was doing pretty, pretty lightweight

workouts, doing some hit, doing some

835

: 00:43:07

cardio stuff, but I was, I was watching,

watching it, um, started this ice

836

: 00:43:13

bath company doing concierge guided

ice bath experiences in Los Angeles.

837

: 00:43:18

And, um, a couple months into that

siness starting now, now it's: 2022

838

: 00:43:25

So it's been two full years since

I had my sort of depressive moment.

839

: 00:43:30

It's been a year since I found out about.

840

: 00:43:33

My, um, aortic aneurysm, I

find out that, uh, my valve,

841

: 00:43:39

my heart valve is now failing.

842

: 00:43:41

Like, oh man, like, now it's real, like,

because you can kind of sneak by with

843

: 00:43:46

aneurysm if you're not lifting heavy

weights, like, just see what happens.

844

: 00:43:50

But then when the valve starts to

fail, then it's like you're going to

845

: 00:43:53

end up in heart failure eventually.

846

: 00:43:56

And so the doctor recommended

surgery within three to six months.

847

: 00:43:58

And I was like, all right, let's

see if I can get through the summer.

848

: 00:44:01

And so I, I just poured the

gas on and I worked like crazy.

849

: 00:44:05

I did events nonstop.

850

: 00:44:06

I did, um, as much as I possibly

could getting my brand and

851

: 00:44:09

my new business out there.

852

: 00:44:11

And I didn't tell anyone about it.

853

: 00:44:12

I just kept doing my thing.

854

: 00:44:15

And, um, yeah, I found it to be

very fulfilling and then I finally

855

: 00:44:20

hit a point where I, you know,

could, could really notice that,

856

: 00:44:24

Hey, I'm, I'm not in good health.

857

: 00:44:26

Like I'd have to like take a minute and

catch my breath, like put my hands on my

858

: 00:44:30

knees and you know, that kind of thing.

859

: 00:44:32

Like you're doing these deep

breaths, trying to catch your breath,

860

: 00:44:35

shortness of breath was crazy.

861

: 00:44:36

Um, a lot of, you know, you

get lightheaded and weird heart

862

: 00:44:41

palpitations and just feeling

like you can't keep up that, that

863

: 00:44:45

started happening more and more.

864

: 00:44:47

Yeah.

865

: 00:44:48

And, um, I eventually, you know, I

said, all right, let's do this surgery.

866

: 00:44:51

And so I had the surgery last year

in: 2023

867

: 00:44:56

I had a great surgeon and,

um, I'm fully recovered now.

868

: 00:45:00

Yeah, dude.

869

: 00:45:01

I mean, amazing and happy.

870

: 00:45:03

Everything went smooth for you.

871

: 00:45:05

And it's crazy.

872

: 00:45:06

Cause like to hear the backstory, I

was just seeing from my end, like,

873

: 00:45:10

yeah, you were just going after it.

874

: 00:45:12

Like, you know, I had had zero idea about

what was going on behind the scenes, but.

875

: 00:45:17

Really happy everything worked out

and I mean, uh, like just out of

876

: 00:45:20

curiosity it with your heart condition

Like were you able to still do

877

: 00:45:25

like ice baths and sauna sessions?

878

: 00:45:27

Did you have to take it

easy with those as well?

879

: 00:45:29

Yeah, so that's really interesting

thing I think there's more and more

880

: 00:45:33

research coming out now and people

have a better like doctors have a

881

: 00:45:36

better opinion on it You definitely

are going to have an increase in

882

: 00:45:40

blood pressure when you do a plunge.

883

: 00:45:43

It's going to, your blood

pressure is going to go up.

884

: 00:45:45

Especially if you do breathwork first.

885

: 00:45:47

You know, if you're doing like a Wim

your blood pressure is going to increase.

886

: 00:45:51

You're going to have a

higher blood pressure number.

887

: 00:45:55

And it's going to come back down, and

over time, if you do this consistently,

888

: 00:45:59

over time, it's going to actually lower

your, your average blood pressure.

889

: 00:46:03

So it's, the long term effect is great.

890

: 00:46:07

Short term effect is, it's, it's an

acute moment of increased blood pressure.

891

: 00:46:12

That was a huge concern for me having

the aneurysm because you, you know,

892

: 00:46:16

you're worried that if you have too high

a blood pressure that this thing could

893

: 00:46:19

eventually burst or you could die, right?

894

: 00:46:22

And so if anyone has a heart condition,

um, or specifically an aneurysm or

895

: 00:46:26

anything that's related to high blood

pressure, uh, cold plunging is probably

896

: 00:46:30

not advised and, you know, extreme

breathwork, like a holotropic breathwork.

897

: 00:46:35

Also proceed with caution, um, things

you don't have to do those types of

898

: 00:46:40

breath work to, to get the benefit.

899

: 00:46:41

You can do slow breathing and you can

do other, other techniques that are a

900

: 00:46:45

little more parasympathetic and not,

not going to quite increase it as much.

901

: 00:46:49

Um, the same thing with cold,

you don't need to do it as cold.

902

: 00:46:52

So what I found was.

903

: 00:46:54

I was having what's called these,

um, pre ventricle contractions.

904

: 00:46:57

They, it's basically like the muscle

squeezing kind of like a little bit off.

905

: 00:47:01

So it's, it's not arrhythmia,

but it's just the contractions

906

: 00:47:05

happening a little bit off.

907

: 00:47:06

And it feels gross.

908

: 00:47:07

Like you can feel it for me,

I feel it like in my throat.

909

: 00:47:10

It feels kind of like a

rollercoaster, like a whoop dee

910

: 00:47:12

doo, like, Oh, not a good feeling.

911

: 00:47:15

And when I would plunge, that

would happen pretty consistently.

912

: 00:47:19

And so I found myself doing.

913

: 00:47:21

Um, less plunging, but also the, you know,

or ice baths, but the, the thing that I

914

: 00:47:26

really noticed was, um, how rested I was

going into it totally, uh, changed how

915

: 00:47:34

stressful the environment was and how

well my heart could handle the stress.

916

: 00:47:38

So that was really interesting thing

for me to notice as a coach was like,

917

: 00:47:42

Oh, if I'm, if I'm not rested or if

I'm stressed going into this, it's

918

: 00:47:45

significantly more stressful on my body.

919

: 00:47:47

Um, that was the first thing.

920

: 00:47:48

The second thing was diet.

921

: 00:47:49

If I, and I was doing a lot of.

922

: 00:47:52

A lot of stuff where I would fast in

the morning and be kind of kind of

923

: 00:47:55

doing a keto diet and fast a lot and

then I would, you know, eat in a short

924

: 00:48:00

eight hour window or a six hour window.

925

: 00:48:02

And that also made it worse for

me, um, if I, if I plunged without

926

: 00:48:07

having carbohydrates in my system.

927

: 00:48:09

So I found that, um, if I had

fuel in my system, it seemed to

928

: 00:48:13

be like less of an impact on me.

929

: 00:48:15

But if I, if I was going and fasted,

it was noticeably more strenuous.

930

: 00:48:20

Um, and that's my, my personal experience.

931

: 00:48:23

I'm not sure if everyone else feels

that way, but I think there's definitely

932

: 00:48:26

a correlation to like your blood

sugar levels, blood glucose levels.

933

: 00:48:30

and how basically your entire system is,

is responding to the stressor of cold,

934

: 00:48:34

especially when it's like super cold.

935

: 00:48:36

And by super cold, I mean

like under 40 degrees.

936

: 00:48:40

Um, I think it's, it can be, it can

definitely be taxing on the heart.

937

: 00:48:43

And when your heart's healthy,

that's good because it's going,

938

: 00:48:46

it's going to improve your HRV.

939

: 00:48:48

So that heart rate variability is going

to change your ability for your heart

940

: 00:48:50

rate to come down and then go up high

and adjust to these different stimuli.

941

: 00:48:55

I think that's really, really important.

942

: 00:48:57

Donna has been shown to do

that, you know, as well.

943

: 00:49:00

And it's.

944

: 00:49:02

Um, yeah, I definitely had to slow

down a little bit and that first

945

: 00:49:07

plunge coming back from the surgery,

that was, that was the one that I was,

946

: 00:49:10

I find the most nervous for that of

any plunge in my entire life, to be

947

: 00:49:13

honest, like I've jumped in icy cold

lakes and rivers and broken the ice

948

: 00:49:17

and, you know, done the whole thing.

949

: 00:49:20

I think that was the, the toughest one

coming back from the surgery because I

950

: 00:49:24

was like, Oh man, like, am I going to

have that kind of sickening feeling that

951

: 00:49:28

I was having before or like, I love this.

952

: 00:49:31

Practice.

953

: 00:49:31

I love doing this thing and I know

it's good for me and I, it's truthfully

954

: 00:49:35

saved my life because it's put me

in this right mindset so many times.

955

: 00:49:40

And I've used it as such a, like

a tool and I was really concerned.

956

: 00:49:43

Like, what if I get in and like, I

feel that again and I can't do it.

957

: 00:49:46

You know, doctors are like, you

know, they don't really know.

958

: 00:49:50

They're like, yeah, if it, if it

makes you not feel good, don't do it.

959

: 00:49:53

No, they're not.

960

: 00:49:54

They're not a proponent of like, yeah,

you're going to get a 250 percent increase

961

: 00:49:58

in dopamine and you're going to get all

this norepinephrine and then all of these

962

: 00:50:00

other mechanisms are going to happen.

963

: 00:50:02

You're going to feel great and you're

going to feel motivated and you're

964

: 00:50:04

going to burn brown fat and like.

965

: 00:50:06

They don't care.

966

: 00:50:06

They're not going to

say anything about that.

967

: 00:50:08

They're like, yeah, don't, don't

do it if it doesn't feel good.

968

: 00:50:12

And so here I am like, okay,

you know, this one, I was

969

: 00:50:15

like, handled it pretty well.

970

: 00:50:16

I did like a two minute plunge.

971

: 00:50:18

I think it was 45 degrees.

972

: 00:50:20

And I shivered uncontrollably

for like 30 minutes.

973

: 00:50:23

I was like, you know, like it was

like starting over completely.

974

: 00:50:27

Um, which was pretty wild.

975

: 00:50:30

Um, and part of that, what I

didn't know is part of that is

976

: 00:50:33

after a major surgery like that,

you're especially a heart surgery.

977

: 00:50:36

You can have a hard time

regulating temperature.

978

: 00:50:39

And I actually had that, I had a

very rare reaction to the surgery.

979

: 00:50:44

When your heart sac is punctured, um, from

a surgery pericardium, you can develop

980

: 00:50:50

this Very odd, uh, autoimmune response

where your heart, your basically your body

981

: 00:50:55

thinks that your heart is being attacked

by a virus and it'll basically fire up

982

: 00:51:00

your, you know, defense mechanism of a

fever to try to kill whatever that is.

983

: 00:51:05

But the truth is, you just have some

inflammation because you, it was, you

984

: 00:51:09

know, cut or punctured from the surgery.

985

: 00:51:12

And so I had these crazy in the

hospital, I had these crazy fevers

986

: 00:51:17

that were happening like, you know,

days after the surgery and these fevers

987

: 00:51:21

would come on right about sunset.

988

: 00:51:23

And as soon as it's getting

dark, I have these crazy fevers,

989

: 00:51:27

shivering uncontrollably, sweating

uncontrollably, so uncomfortable.

990

: 00:51:31

And the nurses, um, in the, in the,

like the cardiac recovery ward that

991

: 00:51:37

I was in, they misdiagnosed it.

992

: 00:51:41

They thought that I was having

an allergic reaction to the

993

: 00:51:44

narcotic drugs, the painkillers.

994

: 00:51:47

And they're like, Hey, like the

only way to navigate this is like,

995

: 00:51:50

you gotta come off of them or

like just deal with the fevers.

996

: 00:51:53

And I was like, I, I

can't do these fevers.

997

: 00:51:55

Like I have to, is your,

your sternum has been split.

998

: 00:51:58

So you're imagine shivering

uncontrollably with like, you know,

999

: 00:52:01

your entire chest has been split open.

: 1000

00:52:04,183 --> 00:52:05,923

I was like, yeah, I, I

can't do this anymore.

: 1001

00:52:05,983 --> 00:52:10,813

And it was so bad that, um, you have

to wear these, these EKG monitors, you

: 1002

00:52:10,813 --> 00:52:13,593

know, they have the stickies all over

your chest and they're, they're doing

: 1003

00:52:13,913 --> 00:52:15,773

a nine point or 12 point lead on you.

: 1004

00:52:15,783 --> 00:52:19,453

I think it's a nine point, uh, lead

nine, nine, you know, points of

: 1005

00:52:19,453 --> 00:52:24,343

contact that you measure your, all

your vitals, um, and your heart.

: 1006

00:52:24,653 --> 00:52:25,143

Rhythms.

: 1007

00:52:26,433 --> 00:52:28,953

And I would sweat those things off

like three, four times a night.

: 1008

00:52:29,773 --> 00:52:30,643

Oh my God.

: 1009

00:52:30,773 --> 00:52:34,203

And they'd have to like, come in and like,

dry me off and like restate, reapply them.

: 1010

00:52:34,743 --> 00:52:37,993

And on the fourth night

I was like, I'm done.

: 1011

00:52:38,103 --> 00:52:41,553

Like, take, take me

off of this painkiller.

: 1012

00:52:41,573 --> 00:52:44,193

I'm just going to face this

thing with Tylenol alone.

: 1013

00:52:44,663 --> 00:52:45,943

So I had Tylenol.

: 1014

00:52:46,493 --> 00:52:52,503

And, um, that was it and it was like,

it was like a pain cave moment for sure,

: 1015

00:52:53,033 --> 00:52:57,483

where you just kind of enter another

dimension of like existence, right?

: 1016

00:52:57,493 --> 00:53:03,703

The pain is so extreme because I

still had the fever, had no painkiller

: 1017

00:53:04,073 --> 00:53:07,933

and I'm shivering uncontrollably

and it was kind of like, I see.

: 1018

00:53:07,933 --> 00:53:10,803

It's like, that was my David

Goggins moment of like the hurt me.

: 1019

00:53:10,803 --> 00:53:15,983

Like, when, once I wrap my head around,

it's Okay, this, this isn't going to

: 1020

00:53:15,983 --> 00:53:21,013

get any easier, but like, also, you

can't, I don't think you could hurt me

: 1021

00:53:21,013 --> 00:53:22,793

more than how much this hurts right now.

: 1022

00:53:24,043 --> 00:53:24,633

This is it.

: 1023

00:53:24,643 --> 00:53:31,553

Like this is, I've tapped into a

new threshold and I, I, um, I kept

: 1024

00:53:31,553 --> 00:53:34,343

getting up in the middle of the night

cause I was still sweating through.

: 1025

00:53:34,713 --> 00:53:36,683

You know, all my clothes and

the sheets and they changed

: 1026

00:53:36,683 --> 00:53:38,243

the bedding 3 times that night.

: 1027

00:53:38,743 --> 00:53:41,723

And the 4th time that they came

in, I was like, I'm getting up

: 1028

00:53:41,913 --> 00:53:42,943

and I'm, I'm going to stay up.

: 1029

00:53:42,973 --> 00:53:49,373

So, it was 4 am and I think it's like

4 30 am and the sunrise at the time.

: 1030

00:53:49,373 --> 00:53:50,043

This is the last year.

: 1031

00:53:50,043 --> 00:53:51,143

The sunrise is it's.

: 1032

00:53:51,573 --> 00:53:52,433

close to 8 AM.

: 1033

00:53:53,713 --> 00:53:55,563

And I was like, I'm just going

to stay up for the sunrise.

: 1034

00:53:55,603 --> 00:53:59,663

And so I just sat in the dark and just

looked out these mountains that I grew

: 1035

00:53:59,663 --> 00:54:02,633

up looking at, you know, in my hometown

and I'm just sitting in the hospital.

: 1036

00:54:02,683 --> 00:54:06,263

Thankfully I had this window, I had this

amazing window that looks out towards,

: 1037

00:54:06,983 --> 00:54:11,113

um, The East where the sun comes up right

behind these mountains, and I grew up

: 1038

00:54:11,113 --> 00:54:14,193

hiking these mountains and running them

and doing tons of activities on them.

: 1039

00:54:14,223 --> 00:54:18,063

You know, I think this is my home and

I'm just sitting there waiting for it.

: 1040

00:54:18,083 --> 00:54:22,023

And the sun finally came up and it was

like, such a moment of victory for me

: 1041

00:54:22,093 --> 00:54:26,843

because I mentally had overcome, you

know, I was still physically extremely,

: 1042

00:54:27,133 --> 00:54:28,673

but mentally overcome this moment.

: 1043

00:54:29,003 --> 00:54:32,663

Um, and the sun came up and I was

like, man, life gets better, you know,

: 1044

00:54:32,663 --> 00:54:37,643

and then she got out of the hospital

that day, went home that day and.

: 1045

00:54:38,198 --> 00:54:40,858

Stayed off of the painkillers

and, uh, made a full recovery.

: 1046

00:54:41,668 --> 00:54:42,348

Jeez.

: 1047

00:54:42,548 --> 00:54:47,578

I, I can only imagine

what that would feel like.

: 1048

00:54:47,828 --> 00:54:53,728

First off, having your sternum split

open is gotta be insanely painful.

: 1049

00:54:53,748 --> 00:54:56,938

But then on top of that, the

shivers, where it's this full

: 1050

00:54:56,938 --> 00:54:59,103

body uncontrollable shake.

: 1051

00:54:59,613 --> 00:55:04,083

Like, oh my god, that's, yeah,

that's gotta be so terribly painful.

: 1052

00:55:04,913 --> 00:55:08,883

The craziest part is the, uh,

the cardiologist comes in, you

: 1053

00:55:08,883 --> 00:55:11,793

know, discharged me later that,

that, that day and he's like,

: 1054

00:55:12,553 --> 00:55:13,823

They didn't give you ibuprofen?

: 1055

00:55:14,378 --> 00:55:17,188

I was like, they said I couldn't have

it because of, you know, the valve.

: 1056

00:55:17,248 --> 00:55:19,048

And they're like, no,

it's a different surgery.

: 1057

00:55:19,048 --> 00:55:19,858

You can totally have it.

: 1058

00:55:20,888 --> 00:55:21,038

Wow.

: 1059

00:55:21,133 --> 00:55:24,788

They'll, they'll, it'll reduce the fever

and it'll make the shivers less bad.

: 1060

00:55:25,598 --> 00:55:26,948

And I was like, are you, you kidding?

: 1061

00:55:26,948 --> 00:55:28,898

Like, yeah, just don't, just

don't take it with the Tylenol.

: 1062

00:55:28,988 --> 00:55:31,738

And I'm like, they're like, you

wanna go back on the Dilaudid?

: 1063

00:55:31,738 --> 00:55:34,828

And I was like, at this point I've

already been off of it for 16 hours.

: 1064

00:55:34,833 --> 00:55:35,458

Like, I'm good.

: 1065

00:55:35,898 --> 00:55:36,198

Yeah.

: 1066

00:55:36,203 --> 00:55:38,298

I'm just going to, I'll

just get through it now.

: 1067

00:55:38,298 --> 00:55:38,718

You know?

: 1068

00:55:39,258 --> 00:55:39,588

Yeah.

: 1069

00:55:40,888 --> 00:55:41,578

. Oh my God.

: 1070

00:55:41,578 --> 00:55:42,628

That's crazy, man.

: 1071

00:55:42,808 --> 00:55:43,379

Yeah, it's, uh.

: 1072

00:55:44,068 --> 00:55:48,718

The whole, the whole issue with the heart,

um, kind of makes me curious with my

: 1073

00:55:48,718 --> 00:55:52,468

dad as well, because, uh, I don't think,

yeah, my dad's ever done a cold plunge.

: 1074

00:55:52,478 --> 00:55:58,448

He's done a lot of sauna, but he, uh,

probably like 20 years ago now, I want

: 1075

00:55:58,448 --> 00:56:03,258

to say maybe 15, he was diagnosed with,

um, I don't even know what the proper

: 1076

00:56:03,258 --> 00:56:05,348

term is for it, but half of his heart.

: 1077

00:56:05,608 --> 00:56:11,878

Works more than the other half does and

so, um, he gets like irregular heartbeats

: 1078

00:56:12,188 --> 00:56:16,278

uh you know just if he puts his hand

on his heart sometimes he can listen to

: 1079

00:56:16,278 --> 00:56:22,503

and it's just like Doom, doom, doom, you

know, kind of like a real offbeat one.

: 1080

00:56:22,503 --> 00:56:26,893

And, um, over time, what's wild

is he's actually, so he was taking

: 1081

00:56:26,893 --> 00:56:31,063

medication for a while for it

and saw no improvement with it.

: 1082

00:56:31,783 --> 00:56:35,773

And then he radically changed his diet.

: 1083

00:56:35,823 --> 00:56:39,343

Like, I mean, I don't want to give myself

like major kudos here, but for sure, I was

: 1084

00:56:39,343 --> 00:56:41,093

providing him with a lot of information.

: 1085

00:56:42,373 --> 00:56:42,623

Yeah.

: 1086

00:56:42,623 --> 00:56:45,933

And, and just, you know, talk, telling

him about all these different health hacks

: 1087

00:56:45,933 --> 00:56:51,083

that he can do, um, started having him

take a bunch of raw cacao, which has a

: 1088

00:56:51,083 --> 00:56:54,233

lot of just heart healthy, uh, minerals.

: 1089

00:56:54,393 --> 00:56:54,823

Yeah.

: 1090

00:56:54,823 --> 00:56:56,523

Super, super beneficial for the heart.

: 1091

00:56:56,883 --> 00:57:00,203

Um, and yeah, so he started changing

his lifestyle, changing his diet.

: 1092

00:57:00,553 --> 00:57:04,953

Taking the cacao and along with a bunch

of other things and um, I mean, I never

: 1093

00:57:04,953 --> 00:57:09,953

advised him to do this He's just kind

of a freaking maverick sometimes and he

: 1094

00:57:09,953 --> 00:57:13,933

decided to stop taking his medications

Which I don't advise of course, like

: 1095

00:57:13,933 --> 00:57:18,863

I'm not yeah, not telling anyone to do

that, but he did and Anyways, he was

: 1096

00:57:18,863 --> 00:57:23,383

just kind of changing his lifestyle and

I I don't know what the measurements

: 1097

00:57:23,393 --> 00:57:28,618

are But I just know that he was at a

10% In terms of like, very bad right?

: 1098

00:57:28,618 --> 00:57:29,908

And like a hundred percent being best.

: 1099

00:57:29,908 --> 00:57:32,998

And he's currently at a 40 or a 45%.

: 1100

00:57:33,738 --> 00:57:34,008

Yeah.

: 1101

00:57:34,008 --> 00:57:35,628

And he's just like improved it over time.

: 1102

00:57:35,628 --> 00:57:40,708

And so, but it, it makes me wonder like

maybe the cold plunge, or at least a

: 1103

00:57:40,708 --> 00:57:45,253

really intense cold plunge might not

be the best thing for a heart patient.

: 1104

00:57:45,253 --> 00:57:45,493

Yeah.

: 1105

00:57:45,653 --> 00:57:46,528

Probably not the best thing.

: 1106

00:57:46,798 --> 00:57:49,858

And you can also just do like 60

degree water, you know, it doesn't

: 1107

00:57:49,858 --> 00:57:50,998

have to, it doesn't have to.

: 1108

00:57:50,998 --> 00:57:52,228

I think everyone thinks that.

: 1109

00:57:52,758 --> 00:57:55,428

To get the benefit, it has to

be the coldest thing possible.

: 1110

00:57:55,428 --> 00:57:57,068

And I don't agree with that at all.

: 1111

00:57:57,248 --> 00:58:02,158

There's there's benefit, you know, even

in the low fifties, there's benefit.

: 1112

00:58:03,078 --> 00:58:08,088

Anytime that it's an uncomfortable stimuli

and it's shocking to you, you know, and

: 1113

00:58:08,088 --> 00:58:10,068

you're like, Whoa, that's really cold.

: 1114

00:58:10,638 --> 00:58:11,838

You're getting the benefit.

: 1115

00:58:12,228 --> 00:58:13,738

Of course, you're going

to probably have like.

: 1116

00:58:14,203 --> 00:58:17,503

You know, a greater reduction in

inflammation if it's, if it's colder,

: 1117

00:58:17,503 --> 00:58:22,883

colder, like if it's 40 degrees or,

you know, closer to freezing, um,

: 1118

00:58:23,033 --> 00:58:25,803

there's probably a greater impact

on reduction of inflammation.

: 1119

00:58:25,803 --> 00:58:30,723

But in terms of like the, the general

benefit, like you are anytime it's

: 1120

00:58:30,723 --> 00:58:36,403

cold and you're, you're having these,

um, these autonomic responses, then

: 1121

00:58:36,693 --> 00:58:39,383

you're getting benefit, you know,

so you can, you can do it just.

: 1122

00:58:39,563 --> 00:58:41,033

It's just a cool shower.

: 1123

00:58:41,033 --> 00:58:43,823

A cold shower is also a

great, a great starting point.

: 1124

00:58:44,473 --> 00:58:47,773

And I don't think the goal with someone

with a heart condition is to ever get

: 1125

00:58:47,773 --> 00:58:50,953

down into the, like these freezing

temperatures and the Wim Hof type thing

: 1126

00:58:50,953 --> 00:58:52,603

where you're jumping into frozen lakes.

: 1127

00:58:52,873 --> 00:58:57,383

You know, I've done it and I'm, I'm

not really in pursuit of that now.

: 1128

00:58:57,503 --> 00:58:59,723

I'm more in pursuit, pursuit of longevity.

: 1129

00:59:00,023 --> 00:59:01,058

But that's where sauna comes in.

: 1130

00:59:01,058 --> 00:59:06,423

And I think sauna's, you know, the

most, um, compelling modality for

: 1131

00:59:06,423 --> 00:59:07,563

someone with a heart condition.

: 1132

00:59:07,953 --> 00:59:10,053

You know, the studies show

over and over again, there's.

: 1133

00:59:10,113 --> 00:59:19,413

I think it's like 48 percent reduction,

um, and massive decline in the likelihood

: 1134

00:59:19,413 --> 00:59:24,383

of you developing a neurological,

um, uh, condition like Alzheimer's or

: 1135

00:59:24,383 --> 00:59:29,483

dementia, uh, anything, anything involving

like brain plaque or basically, um,

: 1136

00:59:29,493 --> 00:59:33,843

neurodegenerative diseases is greatly

reduced when you sauna consistently

: 1137

00:59:34,643 --> 00:59:39,613

cardiovascular health greatly improved and

that's just from doing, you know, four,

: 1138

00:59:39,683 --> 00:59:43,853

four or five sessions a week, um, um, uh,

For 20 minutes, like, it's not, it's not

: 1139

00:59:43,853 --> 00:59:49,653

crazy to do a crazy commitment and there's

huge longevity benefits to doing it.

: 1140

00:59:49,943 --> 00:59:53,403

So I'm a huge proponent for sauna for

anyone with any kind of heart condition,

: 1141

00:59:53,833 --> 00:59:58,343

lowers your blood pressure, increases

your HRV, you're going to sleep better

: 1142

00:59:58,573 --> 01:00:00,203

all around, like, kind of a miracle.

: 1143

01:00:01,113 --> 01:00:02,123

Modality for you.

: 1144

01:00:03,223 --> 01:00:08,443

Yeah, sauna sauna is like definitely

one of my favorite, uh, health

: 1145

01:00:08,443 --> 01:00:10,663

hacks because it's enjoyable.

: 1146

01:00:10,833 --> 01:00:12,513

I mean, up to a degree, obviously.

: 1147

01:00:12,513 --> 01:00:12,703

Right?

: 1148

01:00:12,703 --> 01:00:13,423

Like if you have a.

: 1149

01:00:14,268 --> 01:00:15,548

200 degree sauna.

: 1150

01:00:15,598 --> 01:00:19,818

Like it's intense, but you gotta come

over to my place and we gotta do a sesh.

: 1151

01:00:20,108 --> 01:00:21,418

I can't believe we haven't done one yet.

: 1152

01:00:21,848 --> 01:00:23,308

It's, it's pretty ridiculous, Dom.

: 1153

01:00:24,118 --> 01:00:27,038

No, you gotta, you gotta come over

and do one of these crazy sessions.

: 1154

01:00:27,288 --> 01:00:27,648

It's funny.

: 1155

01:00:27,648 --> 01:00:30,218

Cause I'll, I'll start,

it's always the same too.

: 1156

01:00:30,218 --> 01:00:32,978

I'm like, Oh, let's do like a couple

of rounds and see how we feel.

: 1157

01:00:33,398 --> 01:00:35,298

And then I'm like, you want to

do like four more, you know,

: 1158

01:00:36,358 --> 01:00:37,788

how can we get this thing?

: 1159

01:00:37,788 --> 01:00:39,878

And then, you know, it's next

thing, you know, it's like.

: 1160

01:00:40,078 --> 01:00:42,918

210 degrees and you're

physically burning in there and

: 1161

01:00:42,918 --> 01:00:44,428

you're like, this is terrible.

: 1162

01:00:44,988 --> 01:00:45,318

Yeah.

: 1163

01:00:45,588 --> 01:00:45,828

Yeah.

: 1164

01:00:45,868 --> 01:00:47,928

I'm, I'm absolutely down for it though.

: 1165

01:00:47,928 --> 01:00:51,358

When you, uh, when you get back, give me

a heads up and, and I'll come on over.

: 1166

01:00:51,728 --> 01:00:52,428

Thousand percent.

: 1167

01:00:52,468 --> 01:00:52,768

Yeah.

: 1168

01:00:52,778 --> 01:00:53,658

I'd love to make that happen.

: 1169

01:00:54,398 --> 01:00:54,668

Yeah.

: 1170

01:00:55,098 --> 01:00:55,378

Yeah.

: 1171

01:00:55,418 --> 01:00:56,038

That'd be fun.

: 1172

01:00:56,558 --> 01:00:58,708

I love a good, I love a

good contrast session.

: 1173

01:00:58,718 --> 01:01:03,778

And I I, that's the thing is I, I

still have not developed the muscle

: 1174

01:01:03,778 --> 01:01:05,438

to say like, okay, that's enough.

: 1175

01:01:05,588 --> 01:01:07,318

Like I always am like, yeah,

let's do one more round.

: 1176

01:01:07,418 --> 01:01:10,768

Let's do one more, you know, it feels

like they get shorter and shorter

: 1177

01:01:10,768 --> 01:01:11,458

and shorter, but they're like.

: 1178

01:01:12,093 --> 01:01:14,423

You're still stressing the body,

you know, like the next day of my

: 1179

01:01:14,423 --> 01:01:16,023

recovery is like, Hey, you overdid it.

: 1180

01:01:16,043 --> 01:01:17,413

Like no kidding.

: 1181

01:01:18,323 --> 01:01:20,453

It's been an hour and 20

minutes at 200 degrees.

: 1182

01:01:20,463 --> 01:01:22,633

Like, of course, of course you overdid it.

: 1183

01:01:23,283 --> 01:01:23,793

Yeah.

: 1184

01:01:24,163 --> 01:01:28,413

Um, you know, it's also why wild is,

uh, I was, I was hearing, I don't know

: 1185

01:01:28,413 --> 01:01:33,153

what podcast it was on, but they said

that, uh, like, for example, when,

: 1186

01:01:33,223 --> 01:01:38,003

when you do a cold shower, if you have,

like, for example, if you live in a

: 1187

01:01:38,003 --> 01:01:41,253

house that just doesn't have a water

heater and all you have is cold water.

: 1188

01:01:41,573 --> 01:01:44,063

But then you have a house

with a water heater and you

: 1189

01:01:44,063 --> 01:01:45,283

can choose to go hot or cold.

: 1190

01:01:45,703 --> 01:01:51,723

The person with no water heater will

receive less of a dopamine hit as

: 1191

01:01:51,723 --> 01:01:56,473

opposed to the person who has to actively

choose to go cold as opposed to go hot.

: 1192

01:01:56,923 --> 01:02:01,683

Just from having the knowledge of, you

know, I know that I have the choice.

: 1193

01:02:01,723 --> 01:02:03,913

Yeah, because dopamine is the reward.

: 1194

01:02:04,163 --> 01:02:04,473

Right?

: 1195

01:02:04,473 --> 01:02:08,913

And so for a person who has no other

option, it's not necessarily a reward.

: 1196

01:02:08,923 --> 01:02:12,513

Like you need to go shower, but

the person who has hot or cold, and

: 1197

01:02:12,513 --> 01:02:15,343

then they actively choose, like,

I'm going to switch over to cold.

: 1198

01:02:15,773 --> 01:02:20,333

That is supposedly what gives

you the crazy dopamine hit.

: 1199

01:02:20,463 --> 01:02:24,073

Um, and so you just actively

choose the hard stuff every time.

: 1200

01:02:25,013 --> 01:02:25,753

Yeah, that makes sense.

: 1201

01:02:25,763 --> 01:02:26,063

Wow.

: 1202

01:02:26,063 --> 01:02:26,813

That's wild.

: 1203

01:02:27,283 --> 01:02:27,723

It's funny.

: 1204

01:02:27,723 --> 01:02:29,353

It's kind of like the people

that don't have a water heater.

: 1205

01:02:29,353 --> 01:02:31,513

It's like, it's just all dread.

: 1206

01:02:31,513 --> 01:02:32,283

No reward.

: 1207

01:02:32,283 --> 01:02:33,628

Yeah.

: 1208

01:02:33,628 --> 01:02:34,973

Yeah.

: 1209

01:02:34,973 --> 01:02:37,883

Unless you're in a super hot area, right?

: 1210

01:02:38,493 --> 01:02:41,853

Yeah, goes back to like the whole

illusion of choice paradigm, right?

: 1211

01:02:41,863 --> 01:02:45,663

Like if you think that you have

choice, then you feel better

: 1212

01:02:45,663 --> 01:02:47,273

about, you know, the hard thing.

: 1213

01:02:48,013 --> 01:02:48,433

Yeah.

: 1214

01:02:49,023 --> 01:02:49,373

Yeah.

: 1215

01:02:49,433 --> 01:02:49,683

Yeah.

: 1216

01:02:49,683 --> 01:02:53,163

And also, uh, you, you had, uh, when

you were talking about just like all

: 1217

01:02:53,163 --> 01:02:56,633

of the ventures with, uh, different

companies, you know, trying to have a

: 1218

01:02:56,643 --> 01:03:00,833

startup or, um, you know, going through

hard times, like one quote that I

: 1219

01:03:00,833 --> 01:03:02,813

had heard recently from Ryan Holiday.

: 1220

01:03:03,048 --> 01:03:08,318

Uh, by Seneca was, uh, I'm, I'm a butcher

it, but basically he says, I pity the

: 1221

01:03:08,318 --> 01:03:13,768

person who's never had misfortune because

a person without an opponent will never

: 1222

01:03:13,768 --> 01:03:18,438

know what they're truly capable, truly

capable of, not even to themselves.

: 1223

01:03:18,808 --> 01:03:20,438

And I'm like, that's super true, man.

: 1224

01:03:20,438 --> 01:03:23,998

When you go through the hard things,

that's when you really test your limits,

: 1225

01:03:23,998 --> 01:03:27,808

which you've obviously probably in the

last, what, like five years here, really

: 1226

01:03:28,308 --> 01:03:30,208

put yourself to the test and, and.

: 1227

01:03:30,603 --> 01:03:31,533

Man coming out the other side.

: 1228

01:03:31,533 --> 01:03:33,243

I mean, you're always

like the way I see you.

: 1229

01:03:33,243 --> 01:03:37,523

You're always coming off It's just like

a very energetic like happy person and

: 1230

01:03:37,523 --> 01:03:41,353

uh, you're always like yeah Anytime I

see you like just super happy giving me

: 1231

01:03:41,353 --> 01:03:45,233

a hug and like just uh, yeah I really

appreciate like the energy you bring

: 1232

01:03:45,233 --> 01:03:49,463

each time and so Um, whatever you're

doing and it might be the mindset coaches

: 1233

01:03:49,483 --> 01:03:55,138

and cold plunging but it's uh, it's

it's a benefit for sure Yeah, I, I just

: 1234

01:03:55,138 --> 01:03:57,038

see myself as a very fortunate person.

: 1235

01:03:57,038 --> 01:04:01,078

I, you know, um, I say that I'm

a, I'm the luckiest guy now.

: 1236

01:04:01,078 --> 01:04:05,508

And I really believe that like the, I've

been through some circumstances that

: 1237

01:04:05,508 --> 01:04:09,838

are definitely challenging, but, um,

I've also seen all the people that have,

: 1238

01:04:09,918 --> 01:04:13,418

that have had similar circumstances and

have not had the outcomes that I've had.

: 1239

01:04:14,118 --> 01:04:17,688

And that just allows me to get back

into that mindset, like believing

: 1240

01:04:17,688 --> 01:04:21,743

that I'm lucky and expecting myself

to, You know, come out on the other

: 1241

01:04:21,743 --> 01:04:23,533

side better than I went into it.

: 1242

01:04:24,163 --> 01:04:27,253

And then, the other thing is just

this mindset, like, I get to do it.

: 1243

01:04:27,323 --> 01:04:31,283

Um, before I had the surgery,

I was running some friends of

: 1244

01:04:31,283 --> 01:04:34,443

mine, you know some of them too,

like Emily Gray at Still Life.

: 1245

01:04:34,963 --> 01:04:40,318

Um, They were encouraging me to join

them at Venice Run Club and do, you know,

: 1246

01:04:40,318 --> 01:04:42,768

do doing runs and I didn't run at all.

: 1247

01:04:43,908 --> 01:04:46,998

And because I couldn't lift heavy

weights, I was like, maybe I should

: 1248

01:04:46,998 --> 01:04:48,318

dabble with this a little bit more.

: 1249

01:04:48,428 --> 01:04:52,168

And, um, in retrospect, it was

probably a little too strenuous

: 1250

01:04:52,198 --> 01:04:55,438

to push myself a little too hard

probably, but I really loved it.

: 1251

01:04:55,438 --> 01:04:56,668

It made me feel very alive.

: 1252

01:04:57,058 --> 01:05:01,048

And I remember running and I was

telling myself, I was repeating

: 1253

01:05:01,048 --> 01:05:02,318

to myself, like, I get to do this.

: 1254

01:05:02,318 --> 01:05:03,158

I get to do this.

: 1255

01:05:03,743 --> 01:05:07,443

Cause I knew like, there was this fear

in the back of my mind at the time,

: 1256

01:05:07,443 --> 01:05:10,733

like when the surgery finally happens,

when I finally do it, there's always a

: 1257

01:05:10,733 --> 01:05:12,663

chance that like, it doesn't go right.

: 1258

01:05:12,663 --> 01:05:14,543

And like, maybe I never get a run again.

: 1259

01:05:14,543 --> 01:05:18,613

You know, like that was a real thought

that I was having, uh, pre surgery.

: 1260

01:05:18,613 --> 01:05:21,433

And a lot of that was just, you

know, anxious, intrusive thoughts.

: 1261

01:05:22,053 --> 01:05:25,663

And so I took that mindset into basically

everything I did in my business when I

: 1262

01:05:25,663 --> 01:05:29,403

was operating my own concierge ice bath

business before I worked for Plunge.

: 1263

01:05:30,533 --> 01:05:35,193

Um, it was like, I get to do these

long, hard days, you know, cause I

: 1264

01:05:35,193 --> 01:05:38,003

was concerned that like, there's a

chance that a surgery doesn't go right.

: 1265

01:05:38,003 --> 01:05:41,373

And then I'm not able to live to

the full capacity that I want to.

: 1266

01:05:42,143 --> 01:05:46,503

Um, and I, I worked with an energy

healer and multiple, multiple coaches

: 1267

01:05:46,503 --> 01:05:51,203

around like the mindset of healing,

which is a whole nother podcast probably.

: 1268

01:05:51,203 --> 01:05:54,823

But getting into the mindset of like

allowing yourself to heal and seeing

: 1269

01:05:54,823 --> 01:05:58,143

yourself as a healed person, a lot of

people get stuck in this healing journey

: 1270

01:05:58,143 --> 01:05:59,623

where they they're healing forever.

: 1271

01:06:00,298 --> 01:06:03,778

Um, and really where you want

to get to from my opinion is you

: 1272

01:06:03,778 --> 01:06:05,618

want to get to the healed state.

: 1273

01:06:06,198 --> 01:06:07,978

Like I'm a person who's

capable of healing.

: 1274

01:06:08,038 --> 01:06:08,888

I've healed before.

: 1275

01:06:08,928 --> 01:06:11,878

I'm going to heal again and I'm

going to live in that energy.

: 1276

01:06:12,388 --> 01:06:16,738

I think that's a really important mindset

that a lot of people would benefit from

: 1277

01:06:16,738 --> 01:06:20,638

taking on is like, you know, how do I

want to operate as a healed person, not

: 1278

01:06:20,638 --> 01:06:22,408

as a person who's like hoping to heal.

: 1279

01:06:23,278 --> 01:06:27,688

Um, and when I got into that

mindset after the surgery, then.

: 1280

01:06:28,773 --> 01:06:30,993

The whole thing kind of came

back around full circle.

: 1281

01:06:30,993 --> 01:06:33,603

I was like, I had best

case scenario surgery.

: 1282

01:06:34,133 --> 01:06:37,303

I ran a mile 31 days after the surgery.

: 1283

01:06:38,173 --> 01:06:44,333

And that was the first time in, in the,

um, cardio rehab facility at the hospital

: 1284

01:06:44,333 --> 01:06:48,453

that I was at first time anyone had ever

done that in their facility, first time.

: 1285

01:06:48,453 --> 01:06:49,103

My surgeon.

: 1286

01:06:49,538 --> 01:06:51,488

It ever had a patient do that?

: 1287

01:06:51,608 --> 01:06:53,868

He'd never had a patient do that.

: 1288

01:06:54,078 --> 01:06:54,588

31 minutes.

: 1289

01:06:54,588 --> 01:06:54,858

That's crazy.

: 1290

01:06:54,948 --> 01:06:55,398

After.

: 1291

01:06:56,148 --> 01:07:00,498

And I was able to set that precedent

because one of the PTs that I worked with,

: 1292

01:07:00,738 --> 01:07:02,148

you know, kinda got in my head about it.

: 1293

01:07:02,148 --> 01:07:04,518

I was like talking to him about like,

how quick I'm gonna get outta here.

: 1294

01:07:04,518 --> 01:07:05,358

And he's like, Hey man.

: 1295

01:07:06,138 --> 01:07:08,868

He's like, as long as your sternum

can handle it, your heart can, and

: 1296

01:07:08,898 --> 01:07:09,873

you know, your heart can handle this.

: 1297

01:07:10,638 --> 01:07:11,928

Like, it can handle a run.

: 1298

01:07:12,668 --> 01:07:16,378

So, if you, if you're doing good, and

you're setting a good pace on your walks,

: 1299

01:07:16,398 --> 01:07:17,578

you can just pick it up a little bit.

: 1300

01:07:17,578 --> 01:07:19,648

Just make sure you're not,

obviously, damaging your sternum.

: 1301

01:07:19,698 --> 01:07:21,848

You gotta, so I had to do

the run holding a pillow.

: 1302

01:07:21,868 --> 01:07:22,748

They give you a heart pillow.

: 1303

01:07:23,348 --> 01:07:25,208

So you hold, had to hold

a heart pillow here.

: 1304

01:07:25,728 --> 01:07:28,248

And I did this first run 31 days after.

: 1305

01:07:28,958 --> 01:07:32,268

And, uh, I was the first person,

you know, basically in this

: 1306

01:07:32,268 --> 01:07:33,858

hospital to ever, ever do that.

: 1307

01:07:34,668 --> 01:07:37,408

And my mindset ever since then

is like, I get to do this.

: 1308

01:07:37,983 --> 01:07:42,403

Like I'm still getting to do this

because there's going to be another

: 1309

01:07:42,403 --> 01:07:43,443

surgery down the road for me.

: 1310

01:07:43,663 --> 01:07:46,753

I'm going to have to have another

heart surgery, um, in the future

: 1311

01:07:47,093 --> 01:07:49,563

when this valve wears out because I

chose to go with the tissue valve.

: 1312

01:07:50,213 --> 01:07:53,103

And so I'm still in that mindset

and I get to live in that mindset.

: 1313

01:07:53,638 --> 01:07:54,678

And that, for me, is a gift.

: 1314

01:07:56,478 --> 01:07:56,978

Yeah.

: 1315

01:07:57,168 --> 01:08:04,158

Yeah, that's uh, It's a really great

reframing of a difficult challenge, right?

: 1316

01:08:04,168 --> 01:08:07,278

Like, they say, like, look at

it like a puzzle, not a problem.

: 1317

01:08:07,328 --> 01:08:09,708

You know, the obstacle's the

way, all that good stuff.

: 1318

01:08:09,708 --> 01:08:13,738

And it's, I think it's easier said

than done, but it's also so powerful,

: 1319

01:08:13,768 --> 01:08:16,917

just that mindset shift is huge.

: 1320

01:08:16,948 --> 01:08:21,298

And um, you know, like, the only

major surgery I've ever had was as

: 1321

01:08:21,298 --> 01:08:24,823

a child, I had a hernia at like,

The age of four or something.

: 1322

01:08:24,823 --> 01:08:25,683

I went under surgery.

: 1323

01:08:25,683 --> 01:08:28,993

So yeah, it's uh, I haven't

had to deal with that.

: 1324

01:08:29,013 --> 01:08:32,283

And um, Yeah, i'm like i'm kind

of wondering like what what

: 1325

01:08:32,283 --> 01:08:35,443

advice would you give to someone

who's like going in for a major?

: 1326

01:08:35,493 --> 01:08:39,363

surgery, like what kind of uh mental

preparation would you give as well

: 1327

01:08:39,363 --> 01:08:44,173

as like Afterwards recovery wise

like what what do you recommend?

: 1328

01:08:44,173 --> 01:08:47,673

like how do you know not to like push

yourself too hard but also like to

: 1329

01:08:47,673 --> 01:08:51,023

make sure you recover and not like live

in this place of Like you said, like

: 1330

01:08:51,023 --> 01:08:53,973

staying on the healing journey, like,

Oh, I'm not there yet, you know, but,

: 1331

01:08:54,193 --> 01:08:57,903

uh, like, how do you find your way to,

to where you're finally good again and,

: 1332

01:08:57,903 --> 01:09:00,073

and you feel ready to, to get after it?

: 1333

01:09:00,502 --> 01:09:01,913

Yeah, that's such a good question.

: 1334

01:09:01,913 --> 01:09:03,563

I, there's a, there's a few components.

: 1335

01:09:03,903 --> 01:09:05,723

Um, that's such a good question.

: 1336

01:09:05,783 --> 01:09:10,273

I think the first thing is you got to

visualize yourself as a healed person.

: 1337

01:09:10,462 --> 01:09:14,712

You got to visualize yourself as a

person who is fully recovered and

: 1338

01:09:14,712 --> 01:09:16,273

doing the things that you want to do.

: 1339

01:09:17,082 --> 01:09:18,702

So that's, that's the state of awareness.

: 1340

01:09:19,283 --> 01:09:21,613

So that really, I would say the

first step is like awareness.

: 1341

01:09:21,663 --> 01:09:23,803

Like, are you aware of

how you want to feel?

: 1342

01:09:23,983 --> 01:09:27,763

Are you aware of what you want the

outcome to be and what that feels

: 1343

01:09:27,763 --> 01:09:30,553

like, um, in a best case scenario?

: 1344

01:09:31,832 --> 01:09:32,783

Then visualize it.

: 1345

01:09:32,832 --> 01:09:35,363

Be super granular, super detailed.

: 1346

01:09:35,363 --> 01:09:36,202

What are you wearing?

: 1347

01:09:36,353 --> 01:09:37,183

What's the environment?

: 1348

01:09:37,223 --> 01:09:37,832

Who's with you?

: 1349

01:09:37,832 --> 01:09:39,613

What, what's the song on the radio?

: 1350

01:09:39,702 --> 01:09:42,693

Like those are all, you know,

very detailed visualizations that

: 1351

01:09:42,693 --> 01:09:45,582

you want to kind of have in your

head that you want to get to.

: 1352

01:09:46,483 --> 01:09:48,533

And then pre surgery, I.

: 1353

01:09:49,028 --> 01:09:54,198

I really believe in, you know, doing as

much as you can to detox, uh, detox your

: 1354

01:09:54,368 --> 01:10:01,358

body as much as possible, promote your gut

health, um, feed your microbiome, do all

: 1355

01:10:01,358 --> 01:10:02,838

of the things that you know you should do.

: 1356

01:10:03,438 --> 01:10:08,938

No processed foods, no sugar, eliminate

anything that, uh, you know, too much

: 1357

01:10:08,938 --> 01:10:12,368

caffeine, eliminate anything that's

not just pure nutrition for you.

: 1358

01:10:12,948 --> 01:10:13,968

Prioritize sleep.

: 1359

01:10:14,558 --> 01:10:16,128

And then the mindset piece.

: 1360

01:10:16,128 --> 01:10:19,188

It's really important, you know, on

top of the visualization and this

: 1361

01:10:19,188 --> 01:10:20,827

awareness of who you want to become.

: 1362

01:10:21,448 --> 01:10:25,128

There's the piece of, um,

accepting whatever's like,

: 1363

01:10:25,158 --> 01:10:26,028

whatever's going to happen.

: 1364

01:10:26,138 --> 01:10:29,118

So if you're having in my case,

I had to have, you know, foreign

: 1365

01:10:29,118 --> 01:10:30,198

objects placed in my body.

: 1366

01:10:30,248 --> 01:10:30,728

So I have.

: 1367

01:10:31,323 --> 01:10:38,583

A synthetic aortic root that is

woven into a how tissue valve.

: 1368

01:10:38,673 --> 01:10:44,043

So I have, uh, a cow, part of a

cow's heart in my, in my heart now.

: 1369

01:10:44,793 --> 01:10:50,093

And, uh, I worked with a, with a

healer and a and a coach on this.

: 1370

01:10:50,098 --> 01:10:54,513

But basically the mindset around accepting

this, this foreign object in my body

: 1371

01:10:54,518 --> 01:10:57,693

and my, my body receiving it and saying

like, Hey, this is, this is my body.

: 1372

01:10:57,903 --> 01:10:59,073

Like this is.

: 1373

01:10:59,963 --> 01:11:06,423

My body now, and this belongs in

my body and I think, um, people

: 1374

01:11:06,423 --> 01:11:09,543

will look at devices that are put

into their body with that could be

: 1375

01:11:09,543 --> 01:11:11,733

a knee replacement or a pacemaker.

: 1376

01:11:11,733 --> 01:11:15,473

It could be a lot of different

things they look at it as like this

: 1377

01:11:15,493 --> 01:11:17,493

foreign object is like this thing.

: 1378

01:11:17,493 --> 01:11:18,563

That's not a part of them.

: 1379

01:11:18,633 --> 01:11:21,963

And like, I think it's really important

to integrate it in a big, this is me now.

: 1380

01:11:21,973 --> 01:11:23,353

Like, this is a part of me now.

: 1381

01:11:24,163 --> 01:11:27,993

Um, and it belongs as part of my

biology and I think that's a really

: 1382

01:11:27,993 --> 01:11:31,673

helpful way to, to make your body

accept it and to heal quickly.

: 1383

01:11:31,702 --> 01:11:34,743

And that's maybe a little bit woo woo,

but I think there's a lot of merit to it.

: 1384

01:11:36,473 --> 01:11:36,683

Yeah.

: 1385

01:11:36,723 --> 01:11:36,943

Yeah.

: 1386

01:11:36,943 --> 01:11:37,673

So that'd be my advice.

: 1387

01:11:37,683 --> 01:11:41,073

And then, you know, just a strong, a

strong support system, um, get online,

: 1388

01:11:41,293 --> 01:11:45,083

look up hashtags of people that have

recovered and just remind yourself that

: 1389

01:11:45,093 --> 01:11:49,903

like there are people that are probably

not as healthy as you, not in as good a

: 1390

01:11:49,903 --> 01:11:51,823

shape as you with less resources than you.

: 1391

01:11:51,908 --> 01:11:53,291

I'm going to be talking about a couple

things here, a couple of things that

: 1392

01:11:53,291 --> 01:11:55,398

have recovered from this exact thing

that you're going through in most cases.

: 1393

01:11:55,708 --> 01:11:58,758

You know, there's obviously like there's

rare conditions where you're, you feel

: 1394

01:11:58,758 --> 01:12:02,768

like you're one of, you know, one of a

few and my heart goes out to those people.

: 1395

01:12:02,768 --> 01:12:06,948

I have a good friend, her name is Rachel

and she has a very rare, uh, liver

: 1396

01:12:06,948 --> 01:12:12,918

cancer and her mindset, you know, humbles

me when I talk to her because she has

: 1397

01:12:12,918 --> 01:12:15,428

just been like, she's been through it.

: 1398

01:12:15,438 --> 01:12:17,898

She's, you know, I think she's

26 and she's been dealing with

: 1399

01:12:17,898 --> 01:12:19,108

the same for like six years.

: 1400

01:12:19,898 --> 01:12:25,263

And she's had multiple surgeries and her

mindset is just so resilient and like When

: 1401

01:12:25,263 --> 01:12:30,383

I talked to her, it's like, She's one of

a few people that are doing experimental

: 1402

01:12:30,403 --> 01:12:32,393

things to try to get this under control.

: 1403

01:12:33,013 --> 01:12:34,693

I'm having a surgery that's routine.

: 1404

01:12:34,702 --> 01:12:38,023

People have done thousands, hundreds

of thousands of times now, you

: 1405

01:12:38,023 --> 01:12:40,433

know, it's not even comparable.

: 1406

01:12:40,463 --> 01:12:44,623

So as crazy as it sounds to talk

to someone who's in a, in a much

: 1407

01:12:44,623 --> 01:12:46,783

worse situation than you, cause it's

going to give you perspective on

: 1408

01:12:46,783 --> 01:12:49,243

like, okay, I'm not the victim here.

: 1409

01:12:49,283 --> 01:12:53,448

Like I get to get through this and

you know, Like my friend, Rachel,

: 1410

01:12:53,448 --> 01:12:56,698

she's such an inspiration to me

because her, she's just so strong

: 1411

01:12:56,698 --> 01:12:57,798

and her mindset is so strong.

: 1412

01:12:57,798 --> 01:13:00,418

And it's like, okay, like we got this.

: 1413

01:13:00,488 --> 01:13:02,208

If you got this, I got this, you know?

: 1414

01:13:03,478 --> 01:13:05,358

And I think that those are

all the things I would do.

: 1415

01:13:06,118 --> 01:13:07,528

Yeah, yeah, I like that.

: 1416

01:13:07,528 --> 01:13:11,818

I like that a lot and actually the

accepting of a foreign object in your body

: 1417

01:13:12,438 --> 01:13:17,668

Like you said as woo as it sounds I think

it's super super important to do You know

: 1418

01:13:17,668 --> 01:13:23,858

like the body There's like an intelligence

at a cellular level, you know And there

: 1419

01:13:23,858 --> 01:13:28,178

is a connection between our thoughts our

brain and and what's going on in the body

: 1420

01:13:28,178 --> 01:13:33,618

And so just creating awareness around that

I think honestly is super beneficial and

: 1421

01:13:33,738 --> 01:13:38,038

can be literally the difference between

your body fully accepting that and molding

: 1422

01:13:38,038 --> 01:13:42,558

around it and using it and possibly

like rejecting it, you know, so agree.

: 1423

01:13:43,038 --> 01:13:44,958

Yeah, that was super good.

: 1424

01:13:45,568 --> 01:13:46,778

Um, but also dumb.

: 1425

01:13:46,848 --> 01:13:51,668

So, uh, we are probably getting towards

the end of our session here, but I wanted

: 1426

01:13:51,668 --> 01:13:56,638

to also ask you what, uh, what are like

some of the health practices you're doing

: 1427

01:13:56,638 --> 01:13:59,648

currently to like, just stay healthy.

: 1428

01:13:59,688 --> 01:14:03,853

Um, Yeah, like what are, what

are the foods you're eating?

: 1429

01:14:03,853 --> 01:14:05,183

What are the things that you're doing?

: 1430

01:14:05,213 --> 01:14:11,103

Um, are the ant sized, uh,

free smoothies from Erewhon?

: 1431

01:14:11,103 --> 01:14:11,493

The answer here.

: 1432

01:14:12,702 --> 01:14:15,773

I had to bring up the, the, that was

like the funniest post you'd ever

: 1433

01:14:15,773 --> 01:14:18,683

put that I, that I've seen where,

uh, for those of you who don't know

: 1434

01:14:18,683 --> 01:14:22,113

Erewhon, you get a free smoothie if

you're, uh, like a member with them.

: 1435

01:14:22,283 --> 01:14:24,753

And Dom posted like, what is this?

: 1436

01:14:24,753 --> 01:14:25,673

A smoothie for ants?

: 1437

01:14:26,013 --> 01:14:26,263

Yeah.

: 1438

01:14:26,263 --> 01:14:27,983

And, uh, shout out Zoolander.

: 1439

01:14:28,073 --> 01:14:28,873

Oh man.

: 1440

01:14:29,588 --> 01:14:31,068

It's they get you with that too.

: 1441

01:14:31,068 --> 01:14:32,418

It's like you think

you're getting this deal.

: 1442

01:14:32,418 --> 01:14:35,458

You're like i'm gonna roll in there I'm

gonna get the hailey bieber smoothie.

: 1443

01:14:35,458 --> 01:14:38,718

I'm gonna get that nice one, you

know, and then it's like a dixie cup

: 1444

01:14:38,728 --> 01:14:43,928

basically and you're like This is the

this is what I this is the bonus that I

: 1445

01:14:43,958 --> 01:14:46,528

signed up for like are you kidding me?

: 1446

01:14:46,528 --> 01:14:49,827

It's an instagram versus reality moment

like which is funny because they've

: 1447

01:14:49,848 --> 01:14:53,538

created like the instagram smoothie

craze, you know Yeah, it's so funny.

: 1448

01:14:53,968 --> 01:14:58,878

Um Well, I recently started on the,

um, armor after our conversation, you

: 1449

01:14:58,888 --> 01:15:00,598

sent me that, that recommendation.

: 1450

01:15:00,968 --> 01:15:05,258

And, uh, I think that it's

a positive thing in my life.

: 1451

01:15:05,258 --> 01:15:07,638

It's still a little too early to

tell, but I think it's a positive

: 1452

01:15:07,638 --> 01:15:11,268

thing, at least from an immune system

standpoint, makes a lot of sense.

: 1453

01:15:12,118 --> 01:15:14,618

I have gone the full spectrum.

: 1454

01:15:15,698 --> 01:15:19,338

I would say in the last, um,

three years of going for, you

: 1455

01:15:19,338 --> 01:15:21,688

know, no gluten, no dairy.

: 1456

01:15:22,202 --> 01:15:27,433

To now raw milk and some gluten, I'm

kind of, I'm, I'm doing the whole,

: 1457

01:15:27,513 --> 01:15:32,673

the whole thing, uh, again, but my,

my, my nutrition has been, what I've

: 1458

01:15:32,673 --> 01:15:36,753

really noticed for me is high protein

in the morning, carb load at night.

: 1459

01:15:37,013 --> 01:15:40,443

So carbs at night, um,

still with protein, but.

: 1460

01:15:41,233 --> 01:15:45,143

Uh, mostly protein and fat in the

morning, get through the morning that way.

: 1461

01:15:45,202 --> 01:15:49,233

Um, I've been rocking those

ketones, Ketone IQ from HVMN,

: 1462

01:15:50,023 --> 01:15:51,293

very obsessed with those.

: 1463

01:15:51,533 --> 01:15:56,293

Um, the only downside is that I

don't sometimes want to eat, but this

: 1464

01:15:56,293 --> 01:16:01,583

is the absolute best tool for, uh,

for just focus and mental clarity.

: 1465

01:16:02,103 --> 01:16:05,223

Like I feel like cognitive

performance, it's, it's elite.

: 1466

01:16:05,503 --> 01:16:07,723

Mind you, I've worked in supplement

companies, like I co founded.

: 1467

01:16:08,128 --> 01:16:12,498

Uh, a couple supplement companies

and formulated and, you know, I've

: 1468

01:16:12,498 --> 01:16:16,888

done all the nootropics out there

basically, and ketone IQ just

: 1469

01:16:16,888 --> 01:16:18,708

seems to absolutely rip for me.

: 1470

01:16:18,738 --> 01:16:22,148

So I'm a huge proponent of,

of working that into your, um,

: 1471

01:16:22,278 --> 01:16:26,408

into your either fasted schedule

or uh, just as a way to like.

: 1472

01:16:26,738 --> 01:16:28,368

Get you through it that afternoon crash.

: 1473

01:16:29,077 --> 01:16:30,318

Um, so it doesn't happen.

: 1474

01:16:30,338 --> 01:16:31,558

So you're feeling your brain.

: 1475

01:16:31,838 --> 01:16:33,248

That's a super important one.

: 1476

01:16:33,728 --> 01:16:39,518

And, um, in terms of, uh, in terms

of supplementation, I've, I've been

: 1477

01:16:39,518 --> 01:16:40,968

trying to keep it really clean.

: 1478

01:16:40,968 --> 01:16:46,168

So probiotic, the armor, the colostrum,

which I think is super helpful,

: 1479

01:16:47,048 --> 01:16:51,268

super clean pre workouts with, you

know, no additives in there at all.

: 1480

01:16:51,748 --> 01:16:56,258

Um, three to five grams of

creatine a day, a lot of red meat.

: 1481

01:16:56,773 --> 01:16:57,323

Which is funny.

: 1482

01:16:57,323 --> 01:17:01,173

It's funny to be a proponent of red

meat when, you know, like, especially

: 1483

01:17:01,173 --> 01:17:03,063

the heart condition, because everyone

that has a heart conditions are

: 1484

01:17:03,063 --> 01:17:04,213

like, oh, no, you can't do that.

: 1485

01:17:05,463 --> 01:17:08,023

I'm quite confident that

it's the right choice for me.

: 1486

01:17:08,573 --> 01:17:14,093

And the more that you research, um,

really like cholesterol and like

: 1487

01:17:14,093 --> 01:17:18,813

what's perceived as bad, um, and what

healthy fat in the body is, how our

: 1488

01:17:18,813 --> 01:17:21,483

body actually retains cholesterol.

: 1489

01:17:21,483 --> 01:17:24,003

Meaning like when you assume things

that are high in fat or high in

: 1490

01:17:24,003 --> 01:17:27,233

cholesterol, does it actually translate

to the cholesterol in the body?

: 1491

01:17:27,233 --> 01:17:27,443

Yeah.

: 1492

01:17:27,813 --> 01:17:29,163

It doesn't seem that it actually does.

: 1493

01:17:29,933 --> 01:17:35,013

So I'm a proponent of whole

eggs, red meat, raw dairy.

: 1494

01:17:35,638 --> 01:17:36,488

Doing the whole thing.

: 1495

01:17:37,958 --> 01:17:38,268

Yeah.

: 1496

01:17:38,508 --> 01:17:38,718

Yeah.

: 1497

01:17:38,718 --> 01:17:40,708

Have you have you read

the cholesterol myth?

: 1498

01:17:41,368 --> 01:17:42,798

No, I haven't but I'm familiar with it.

: 1499

01:17:42,898 --> 01:17:43,268

Yeah.

: 1500

01:17:43,327 --> 01:17:43,668

Okay.

: 1501

01:17:43,718 --> 01:17:47,238

Yeah Yeah, it's um, we don't need

to get too deep into it, but it uh,

: 1502

01:17:47,288 --> 01:17:52,798

it would appear triglycerides sugar

like that is Really what you want to

: 1503

01:17:52,798 --> 01:17:57,678

be watching out for Cholesterol, the

brain is what is like 70 percent fat

: 1504

01:17:57,678 --> 01:17:59,008

basically or something like that.

: 1505

01:17:59,488 --> 01:18:02,468

I'm probably off on the numbers, but

it's a high amount like the brain is

: 1506

01:18:02,498 --> 01:18:06,848

primarily fat and cholesterol and yes,

there can be good and bad cholesterol,

: 1507

01:18:06,848 --> 01:18:10,568

but I'm, I'm pretty on board with you

that cholesterol is not really the

: 1508

01:18:10,568 --> 01:18:15,038

bad guy here, but rather the sugar is

probably what we should watch out for.

: 1509

01:18:15,088 --> 01:18:16,657

Um, for sure, but.

: 1510

01:18:16,873 --> 01:18:17,293

Yeah.

: 1511

01:18:17,513 --> 01:18:21,393

Uh, also Dom, you are, I know you're

associated with, uh, well you work

: 1512

01:18:21,393 --> 01:18:26,393

with, uh, with Plunge and, uh, you know,

like, obviously we spoke a lot about

: 1513

01:18:26,963 --> 01:18:31,343

cold plunges and stuff, so, uh, like,

what would you recommend for people in

: 1514

01:18:31,343 --> 01:18:34,693

terms of if they wanted to get one for

themselves and, um, you know, are these

: 1515

01:18:34,893 --> 01:18:39,973

Something that are gonna, you know, be

apartment ready or, or more for a house

: 1516

01:18:39,973 --> 01:18:42,353

or kind of like, what, what are your

recommendations on all that good stuff?

: 1517

01:18:42,433 --> 01:18:43,032

It's a great question.

: 1518

01:18:43,443 --> 01:18:46,083

Um, I mean, I work for the

company, so I'm a little biased,

: 1519

01:18:46,123 --> 01:18:47,373

but I believe it's the best.

: 1520

01:18:47,853 --> 01:18:50,423

Product in this category

best product of its kind.

: 1521

01:18:50,823 --> 01:18:52,713

That's why I probably work there.

: 1522

01:18:53,183 --> 01:18:54,183

Um, remind you.

: 1523

01:18:54,183 --> 01:18:55,653

I, I, I did it.

: 1524

01:18:56,083 --> 01:18:59,003

I was doing this, this practice

and I was doing these experiences

: 1525

01:18:59,123 --> 01:19:00,093

prior to working there.

: 1526

01:19:00,093 --> 01:19:05,053

So I've been, you know, deep in this

lifestyle for, uh, quite a while, a few

: 1527

01:19:05,053 --> 01:19:08,032

years and I just believe in this product.

: 1528

01:19:08,032 --> 01:19:09,743

I believe in our founders

and I believe in our team.

: 1529

01:19:10,213 --> 01:19:13,403

Um, There's multiple options,

different configurations.

: 1530

01:19:13,413 --> 01:19:15,913

There's more configurations coming

out this year that are going to

: 1531

01:19:15,993 --> 01:19:20,202

make it a lot easier for people

that live in apartments or live in

: 1532

01:19:20,202 --> 01:19:21,713

a place that has only a balcony.

: 1533

01:19:21,713 --> 01:19:25,093

Let's say, um, we're going to

have configurations coming out

: 1534

01:19:25,093 --> 01:19:27,873

later this year that are going to

make a lot more sense for people.

: 1535

01:19:28,323 --> 01:19:31,913

Um, and these make it easier for

people to have less space, um, less

: 1536

01:19:31,913 --> 01:19:33,723

of like a traditional backyard space.

: 1537

01:19:34,343 --> 01:19:36,003

So I would say stay tuned for that.

: 1538

01:19:36,403 --> 01:19:36,973

Um.

: 1539

01:19:37,648 --> 01:19:40,628

I think it's, if you're doing, if

you're doing like a traditional ice

: 1540

01:19:40,628 --> 01:19:45,938

bath twice a week, you're already

buying enough ice that it makes

: 1541

01:19:45,938 --> 01:19:47,448

sense just to buy the, the plunge.

: 1542

01:19:47,448 --> 01:19:51,438

Like, why not just like elevate your

game and have, have access to it?

: 1543

01:19:51,738 --> 01:19:54,918

What I've been doing is I've been

doing shooting for five days a week.

: 1544

01:19:54,918 --> 01:19:56,907

So that's, that's what my

goal is when I'm at home.

: 1545

01:19:57,548 --> 01:20:00,838

I shoot for five days a week and that

gives me two, a couple of things.

: 1546

01:20:00,838 --> 01:20:03,498

One, it gives me a little grace,

like if my schedule is crazy and

: 1547

01:20:03,498 --> 01:20:06,688

I'm not able to make it happen on

the, you know, a couple of days a

: 1548

01:20:06,688 --> 01:20:08,448

week, I don't beat myself up for it.

: 1549

01:20:08,458 --> 01:20:13,548

Like I, I've done the streaks where I'm

trying to do it every single day and I'm

: 1550

01:20:13,548 --> 01:20:17,758

not a huge, I'm a huge fan of doing a

streak for a short amount of time, like

: 1551

01:20:17,778 --> 01:20:22,478

30 days or 60 days, 75 hard, whatever

you, you choose your, you choose your

: 1552

01:20:22,488 --> 01:20:23,958

time that you're going to go all in.

: 1553

01:20:23,968 --> 01:20:24,327

That's great.

: 1554

01:20:25,193 --> 01:20:28,103

And then I think you need to have like

a little realism in your schedule the

: 1555

01:20:28,103 --> 01:20:32,263

rest of the time and not create like

a guilt or a shame cycle around like

: 1556

01:20:32,323 --> 01:20:34,183

not, Oh, I didn't, I missed a day.

: 1557

01:20:34,183 --> 01:20:34,593

Oh no.

: 1558

01:20:34,593 --> 01:20:36,643

I can't believe I, you

know, let myself down.

: 1559

01:20:36,643 --> 01:20:39,383

Like, I don't think that's super

helpful in the longterm and I

: 1560

01:20:39,383 --> 01:20:41,573

don't think that's really how

you should think in the longterm.

: 1561

01:20:41,573 --> 01:20:43,633

It should be like, I'm choosing

to do this thing because I

: 1562

01:20:43,643 --> 01:20:44,723

know that it's good for me.

: 1563

01:20:45,123 --> 01:20:48,263

And so when you have, uh, when you

have a plunge at your house or, you

: 1564

01:20:48,263 --> 01:20:51,403

know, on your balcony or in your

apartment, then you have the ability

: 1565

01:20:51,423 --> 01:20:54,023

to, to do it as much as you want.

: 1566

01:20:54,463 --> 01:20:57,313

So you set a baseline of like, here's

the minimum that I'm going to do it.

: 1567

01:20:57,343 --> 01:21:00,553

Like at minimum, I'm going to do it

three days a week or five days a week.

: 1568

01:21:00,853 --> 01:21:02,123

And then you can always add onto it.

: 1569

01:21:02,403 --> 01:21:06,523

So what I find is when I set that

minimum for myself, I, you know,

: 1570

01:21:06,653 --> 01:21:09,073

you bang out the first five days and

you're like, okay, well that was easy.

: 1571

01:21:09,588 --> 01:21:11,868

And then you're like, all right, I'll

get another one in another six days.

: 1572

01:21:11,878 --> 01:21:14,698

And then like, you maybe do a contrast

session and get three or four of them

: 1573

01:21:14,698 --> 01:21:18,548

in, you know, and you end up doing, I

feel like you end up doing more because

: 1574

01:21:18,548 --> 01:21:21,808

you take off that pressure of like,

I have to do this every single day.

: 1575

01:21:21,808 --> 01:21:23,708

So that's, that's how I would approach it.

: 1576

01:21:24,248 --> 01:21:29,588

Um, and yeah, I, I, I'm a huge fan

of the product and the brand and I,

: 1577

01:21:30,108 --> 01:21:34,138

I, uh, encourage everyone to check us

out on Instagram at plunge or plunge.

: 1578

01:21:34,138 --> 01:21:34,168

com.

: 1579

01:21:35,282 --> 01:21:37,933

And pay attention because there's gonna be

some cool stuff coming down the pipeline.

: 1580

01:21:38,793 --> 01:21:39,403

Yeah, yeah.

: 1581

01:21:39,403 --> 01:21:41,233

I'm also, uh, I'm a huge fan of it.

: 1582

01:21:41,233 --> 01:21:44,713

I mean, I love cold plunges in all

forms, but I would say plunge is

: 1583

01:21:44,923 --> 01:21:46,643

one of the sleeker looking ones.

: 1584

01:21:46,653 --> 01:21:50,113

It's one of the nicer ones, especially,

uh, you know, if you want something

: 1585

01:21:50,173 --> 01:21:53,733

aesthetically pleasing for your house,

like it's definitely up there on the list.

: 1586

01:21:54,193 --> 01:21:59,013

Uh, it's works well, has the flow

of water as well, which is nice.

: 1587

01:21:59,043 --> 01:22:04,683

Um, I know like our saunas, they're

up and up and on the website, right?

: 1588

01:22:04,683 --> 01:22:05,633

Like they're ready for sale.

: 1589

01:22:05,693 --> 01:22:05,913

Yeah.

: 1590

01:22:05,913 --> 01:22:07,473

They're on a, they're on

a pre order right now.

: 1591

01:22:07,523 --> 01:22:11,443

Uh, we're moving, we're moving into a,

an option where you can just buy them.

: 1592

01:22:11,523 --> 01:22:17,383

Uh, I think the pre order is, is almost,

um, almost done, but either way, it's.

: 1593

01:22:18,268 --> 01:22:19,798

They'll be fulfilled very quickly.

: 1594

01:22:20,188 --> 01:22:25,768

Um, competitive with really any

other, um, traditional sauna maker.

: 1595

01:22:25,798 --> 01:22:31,018

So any, any other sauna maker that's,

you know, fabricated them in America.

: 1596

01:22:31,018 --> 01:22:33,928

And that's, that's an important

note about this is these products

: 1597

01:22:33,928 --> 01:22:35,298

are, you know, made here in the U.

: 1598

01:22:35,298 --> 01:22:35,468

: 1599

01:22:36,133 --> 01:22:40,803

So when you go into the warehouse, you

know, there's literally this, it's like

: 1600

01:22:40,833 --> 01:22:42,313

bigger than it's the size of a Costco.

: 1601

01:22:42,343 --> 01:22:45,643

It's you go in and it's just

like plunges as far as you can

: 1602

01:22:45,643 --> 01:22:47,413

see people assembling them.

: 1603

01:22:47,413 --> 01:22:50,123

These are giving people jobs

here in the U S which is awesome.

: 1604

01:22:50,643 --> 01:22:53,403

American manufacturing, you

go into the sauna world.

: 1605

01:22:53,403 --> 01:22:55,473

It's a separate room and it's

where the saunas are being built.

: 1606

01:22:55,473 --> 01:22:59,513

And it smells amazing because, you

know, they're, yeah, all this amazing,

: 1607

01:22:59,543 --> 01:23:05,595

uh, cedar cedar and, uh, There's

the sawdust and it smells great.

: 1608

01:23:05,595 --> 01:23:08,931

And, you know, you see these things being

built in their different configurations

: 1609

01:23:08,931 --> 01:23:11,478

and it's, it's super cool to be a part of.

: 1610

01:23:11,478 --> 01:23:12,718

And it's amazing to see.

: 1611

01:23:13,268 --> 01:23:17,678

And, uh, the thing that we, I think

we have, it's just super advantageous

: 1612

01:23:17,718 --> 01:23:20,918

that helps me believe in this brand

so much is our customer service.

: 1613

01:23:21,098 --> 01:23:22,548

Like there's a lot of people that.

: 1614

01:23:23,138 --> 01:23:27,648

We'll go to Alibaba, they'll create

a product, you know, they'll find

: 1615

01:23:27,668 --> 01:23:30,788

the parts and things or whatever and

slap a, slap a brand label on it.

: 1616

01:23:31,118 --> 01:23:32,018

And they're just trying to get rich.

: 1617

01:23:32,018 --> 01:23:35,058

They're trying to sell, you know, a

couple of thousand units and then get out.

: 1618

01:23:35,698 --> 01:23:38,907

And that's not what this business

is like, you know, we've been doing

: 1619

01:23:38,907 --> 01:23:41,458

this, but they've been doing it longer

than I've been with the company, but

: 1620

01:23:41,458 --> 01:23:42,608

they've been doing this for three years.

: 1621

01:23:43,508 --> 01:23:45,798

And they really care about

their customer experience.

: 1622

01:23:45,818 --> 01:23:49,108

They really care about the longevity

of their product and their brand.

: 1623

01:23:49,498 --> 01:23:52,518

And so as a result, like there's

a problem, we're going to fix it.

: 1624

01:23:52,618 --> 01:23:54,308

Like we're going to, we're going

to get to the bottom of it.

: 1625

01:23:54,308 --> 01:23:57,698

And so it's awesome to be part of

a company that actually cares about

: 1626

01:23:57,698 --> 01:24:01,488

their customer and not just like

care about like, Oh, we hope you had

: 1627

01:24:01,488 --> 01:24:02,928

a good experience with the product.

: 1628

01:24:02,928 --> 01:24:05,598

But like, We have a product that's

going to help you change your life.

: 1629

01:24:05,628 --> 01:24:08,398

Like the slogan is take the

plunge, change your life.

: 1630

01:24:08,788 --> 01:24:11,648

And so when, you know, when

you get a plunge, like this

: 1631

01:24:11,648 --> 01:24:12,848

is a whole new world for you.

: 1632

01:24:12,848 --> 01:24:14,407

Like you can use this thing.

: 1633

01:24:14,468 --> 01:24:15,808

Like we talked about the dopamine earlier.

: 1634

01:24:15,827 --> 01:24:19,678

You can use that dopamine and get

on that train to set up other habits

: 1635

01:24:19,678 --> 01:24:24,218

and habit stack, you know, going

into the new year, um, you can use a

: 1636

01:24:24,218 --> 01:24:26,868

morning cold plunge that cold exposure

and that integrates in dopamine.

: 1637

01:24:27,528 --> 01:24:31,388

That increase in this reward, you

know, hormone, that's chemical in your

: 1638

01:24:31,388 --> 01:24:36,068

brain to do other things and feel a

sense of reward and create that habit.

: 1639

01:24:36,218 --> 01:24:39,608

So you can have it stack very

effectively just by getting that cold

: 1640

01:24:39,608 --> 01:24:40,768

plunge in first thing in the morning.

: 1641

01:24:41,038 --> 01:24:46,598

And a good example of this in my life,

flossing, I do not like to floss.

: 1642

01:24:46,928 --> 01:24:47,608

I'll be, I'll be real.

: 1643

01:24:47,608 --> 01:24:51,298

I'm one of those people who's like,

it's just not like, I'm not one of those

: 1644

01:24:51,298 --> 01:24:52,508

people who's like excited to floss.

: 1645

01:24:52,528 --> 01:24:53,558

I know those people exist.

: 1646

01:24:54,153 --> 01:24:54,952

I'm not one of them.

: 1647

01:24:55,383 --> 01:24:55,933

I dread it.

: 1648

01:24:55,952 --> 01:24:58,613

I'm like, Oh, you know, I gotta

do this thing, but it's super

: 1649

01:24:58,613 --> 01:24:59,843

important for my heart health.

: 1650

01:24:59,893 --> 01:25:00,193

Right.

: 1651

01:25:00,193 --> 01:25:01,373

It's really, really important.

: 1652

01:25:02,023 --> 01:25:02,213

Yeah.

: 1653

01:25:02,253 --> 01:25:07,743

Um, and so just using the principles

of habit stacking, I started being

: 1654

01:25:07,743 --> 01:25:09,853

like, okay, I'm going to cold

point and I'm going to floss.

: 1655

01:25:10,858 --> 01:25:11,338

Super easy.

: 1656

01:25:11,338 --> 01:25:11,657

Right?

: 1657

01:25:12,058 --> 01:25:15,028

Well, if I did it in the morning, then

I'm going to do it before bed because it's

: 1658

01:25:15,068 --> 01:25:16,338

like, now I've already started the habit.

: 1659

01:25:16,348 --> 01:25:18,988

I think it's easy for me to be like,

okay, I just have to do it once more.

: 1660

01:25:18,988 --> 01:25:20,748

I've already done, done it once today.

: 1661

01:25:21,368 --> 01:25:23,648

And that just creates this

loop for me where it's like,

: 1662

01:25:23,648 --> 01:25:24,688

it's easier for me to do it.

: 1663

01:25:24,688 --> 01:25:27,558

And then you add the next thing on,

you add the next thing on pretty soon.

: 1664

01:25:27,558 --> 01:25:29,228

It's like, oh yeah, I'm a flosser.

: 1665

01:25:29,978 --> 01:25:32,718

Like, you know, I get, I, you know,

as a person who cold plunges and

: 1666

01:25:32,718 --> 01:25:34,008

flosses, you know what I mean?

: 1667

01:25:34,008 --> 01:25:37,907

But like, it's that easy to find a

thing that you have resistance to or

: 1668

01:25:37,907 --> 01:25:39,558

drag or, you know, some sort of rub.

: 1669

01:25:40,653 --> 01:25:44,303

Put that right behind the plunge

and it's going to reduce that.

: 1670

01:25:45,023 --> 01:25:45,373

Yeah.

: 1671

01:25:45,503 --> 01:25:45,883

Yeah.

: 1672

01:25:45,933 --> 01:25:47,493

It's, uh, sorry, real quick.

: 1673

01:25:47,532 --> 01:25:48,923

Are you, are you an office fan?

: 1674

01:25:50,793 --> 01:25:54,343

Do you remember the, when you were

saying like with New Year's and with

: 1675

01:25:54,343 --> 01:25:58,003

flossing and Michael Scott, at one

point he's like talking about how

: 1676

01:25:58,003 --> 01:25:59,913

flossing was his New Year's resolution.

: 1677

01:26:00,952 --> 01:26:03,782

12 o'clock, midnight, December 1st, BAM!

: 1678

01:26:03,793 --> 01:26:04,983

Blood everywhere in the sink.

: 1679

01:26:06,573 --> 01:26:09,433

Sorry, that was, that was like,

that was going through my head, man.

: 1680

01:26:09,433 --> 01:26:10,853

I had to meme worthy.

: 1681

01:26:11,083 --> 01:26:11,273

Yeah.

: 1682

01:26:12,193 --> 01:26:16,143

But yeah, no, you're absolutely right,

and I'm sure, um, I know, uh, Andrew

: 1683

01:26:16,143 --> 01:26:21,123

Huberman talks about, like, with

procrastination, it's like, we do the, um,

: 1684

01:26:21,143 --> 01:26:24,577

when there's something we really have to

do, And we're just like procrastinating.

: 1685

01:26:24,577 --> 01:26:26,378

We want to do the thing

that's easier than that.

: 1686

01:26:26,388 --> 01:26:30,818

So it's like if you have, uh, like

work, like he uses, um, writing

: 1687

01:26:30,818 --> 01:26:33,208

a book, he's like, super hard for

me to sit down and write a book.

: 1688

01:26:33,208 --> 01:26:35,048

So like, I'll start just

like cleaning my house.

: 1689

01:26:35,098 --> 01:26:37,318

Cause it's the easier option on the list.

: 1690

01:26:37,318 --> 01:26:37,968

Right, right.

: 1691

01:26:38,018 --> 01:26:40,518

But if you, uh, like if

you're procrastinating.

: 1692

01:26:41,077 --> 01:26:43,848

He says, you have to do something

harder than the task in which

: 1693

01:26:43,848 --> 01:26:44,907

you're trying to accomplish.

: 1694

01:26:44,938 --> 01:26:47,258

So he'll use like an ice

bath, for example, and he's

: 1695

01:26:47,258 --> 01:26:48,728

like, ice bath is super hard.

: 1696

01:26:48,998 --> 01:26:52,528

So he's like, I definitely don't want

to do an ice bath, you know, more than

: 1697

01:26:52,528 --> 01:26:54,728

I want to write some pages of a book.

: 1698

01:26:54,758 --> 01:26:58,228

So he's like, I'll go and I'll force

myself to do that ice bath because

: 1699

01:26:58,238 --> 01:26:59,778

then the book feels like a cinch.

: 1700

01:26:59,998 --> 01:27:01,577

You know, it's super easy to get to.

: 1701

01:27:01,577 --> 01:27:04,077

And, and so it might be the same thing

with like, not only the dopamine and

: 1702

01:27:04,077 --> 01:27:07,657

neuroepinephrine and then creating

the habit, but rather like also you're

: 1703

01:27:07,657 --> 01:27:10,213

procrastinating doing the flossing

because it's annoying and But it's like,

: 1704

01:27:10,233 --> 01:27:12,213

man, you just did a freaking ice bath.

: 1705

01:27:12,532 --> 01:27:15,963

Like flossing is nothing, you know, and

it's a couple of minutes and you're done.

: 1706

01:27:16,113 --> 01:27:16,923

Yeah, totally.

: 1707

01:27:17,233 --> 01:27:18,083

It's wild, right?

: 1708

01:27:18,333 --> 01:27:18,773

It's awesome.

: 1709

01:27:18,963 --> 01:27:19,393

It's insane.

: 1710

01:27:19,603 --> 01:27:20,983

What an amazing tool.

: 1711

01:27:21,282 --> 01:27:25,613

So that, you know, the list goes on

of reasons why I'm a proponent, but,

: 1712

01:27:25,653 --> 01:27:29,313

uh, this is a good place to start,

especially going into new year's.

: 1713

01:27:29,313 --> 01:27:30,003

Yeah.

: 1714

01:27:30,083 --> 01:27:30,813

A hundred percent.

: 1715

01:27:30,863 --> 01:27:34,143

Um, and, uh, also DALMA,

like, uh, I want to leave the.

: 1716

01:27:34,452 --> 01:27:37,123

A little bit of time here for

you to also just let people know

: 1717

01:27:37,123 --> 01:27:38,383

where they can connect with you.

: 1718

01:27:38,463 --> 01:27:41,173

I know you mentioned plunge, but if

there's any other things with plunge,

: 1719

01:27:41,173 --> 01:27:44,803

like, um, like you said, new innovation

coming out or, uh, you know, maybe

: 1720

01:27:44,803 --> 01:27:48,693

a good time to purchase one, uh,

or just whatever the heck you want

: 1721

01:27:48,693 --> 01:27:52,153

to share where people can find you

and, and just all that good stuff.

: 1722

01:27:52,153 --> 01:27:55,103

Yeah, uh, the easiest way to get a

hold of me is just on Instagram, uh,

: 1723

01:27:55,163 --> 01:28:00,303

at lifexdom, and you can reach out,

um, yeah, if you have questions around,

: 1724

01:28:00,513 --> 01:28:04,653

you know, the practice or around

surgery or mindset, that kind of stuff.

: 1725

01:28:04,653 --> 01:28:08,153

I'm always down to

communicate and, uh, check in.

: 1726

01:28:08,163 --> 01:28:09,463

You can set up a Calendly call.

: 1727

01:28:09,463 --> 01:28:11,083

We can, we can talk.

: 1728

01:28:11,153 --> 01:28:13,093

Um, I don't do one on one coaching.

: 1729

01:28:13,093 --> 01:28:17,623

I don't do any coaching outside of Plunge

right now, but, um, I'm always down to

: 1730

01:28:17,623 --> 01:28:21,373

help out and, you know, encourage people

if they're going through something, having

: 1731

01:28:21,373 --> 01:28:22,753

been through some of these things myself.

: 1732

01:28:23,423 --> 01:28:27,583

And, uh, yeah, that's the, that's the

easiest way to get ahold of me, lifexdom.

: 1733

01:28:28,253 --> 01:28:30,873

And, that's the easiest

place to get ahold of me.

: 1734

01:28:31,263 --> 01:28:33,563

And visit, you know, at plunge.

: 1735

01:28:33,693 --> 01:28:35,153

com or at plunge on Instagram.

: 1736

01:28:36,123 --> 01:28:37,363

Nice, nice, yeah.

: 1737

01:28:37,363 --> 01:28:41,513

And, uh, if you see Dom wandering

the streets of Venice, say hello.

: 1738

01:28:41,513 --> 01:28:43,282

He's a super friendly guy.

: 1739

01:28:43,423 --> 01:28:46,343

And, uh, like I said, honestly,

Dom, you've, uh, You've always

: 1740

01:28:46,343 --> 01:28:47,493

been, always been super nice.

: 1741

01:28:47,513 --> 01:28:51,163

And, um, you know, I feel like

you, you, you keep a very level

: 1742

01:28:51,173 --> 01:28:54,503

head, you don't let ego really

get to you and you're just always

: 1743

01:28:54,513 --> 01:28:56,623

bringing like a good smile with you.

: 1744

01:28:56,623 --> 01:29:00,133

And so, uh, truly for me personally,

I appreciate that Dom, you've

: 1745

01:29:00,133 --> 01:29:01,553

been a, just a great person.

: 1746

01:29:01,833 --> 01:29:04,873

To this community and also, uh,

just a pleasure to be around

: 1747

01:29:04,873 --> 01:29:06,143

and to see and connect with.

: 1748

01:29:06,143 --> 01:29:08,623

And, uh, I'm really happy

to have had you on the show.

: 1749

01:29:08,633 --> 01:29:10,013

Honestly, it's absolute pleasure.

: 1750

01:29:10,013 --> 01:29:14,633

And, um, yeah, really enjoyed connecting

with you and I look forward to our

: 1751

01:29:15,133 --> 01:29:17,023

contrast therapy session coming up soon.

: 1752

01:29:17,353 --> 01:29:17,763

Heck yeah.

: 1753

01:29:17,763 --> 01:29:18,532

Well, thank you for having me.

: 1754

01:29:18,532 --> 01:29:19,343

I really appreciate it.

: 1755

01:29:19,733 --> 01:29:21,343

And I'm looking forward

to that session as well.

: 1756

01:29:22,032 --> 01:29:22,503

Okay, Dom.

: 1757

01:29:22,503 --> 01:29:22,623

Yeah.

: 1758

01:29:22,623 --> 01:29:23,773

You let me know when you're back in town.

: 1759

01:29:23,773 --> 01:29:24,313

We'll get it going.

: 1760

01:29:24,893 --> 01:29:25,413

Sounds good.

: 1761

01:29:25,413 --> 01:29:25,843

We'll do.

: 1762

01:29:26,303 --> 01:29:26,513

I'll get you soon.

: 1763

01:29:26,513 --> 01:29:27,053

All right.

: 1764

01:29:27,603 --> 01:29:28,243

Thanks, man.

: 1765

01:29:28,273 --> 01:29:28,753

Everybody.

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You guys know the, the motto of the show.

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It's do everything with good intentions

and connect to your elements.

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Thank you all so much for tuning in

and have a great rest of your week.

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Peace.

Elemental Evan Show

Episode 161

3rd Jan 2024

161. Open Heart Surgery And Contrast Therapy: Facing Adversity With Dom

Open Heart Surgery And Contrast Therapy: Facing Adversity With Dom

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