Episode 178

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22nd May 2024

178. Harnessing the Healing Power of Stem Cells with Dr. Jeff Gross.

Harnessing the Healing Power of Stem Cells with Dr. Jeff Gross.

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In this episode of the Elemental Evan Podcast, host Evan is joined by Dr. Jeffrey Gross, a trained neurological surgeon specializing in athletic injuries, spine procedures, and the founder of ReCelebrate, focusing on anti-aging and regenerative medicine through stem cells. Dr. Gross shares his in-depth knowledge on the role of stem cells in healing, regeneration, and anti-aging, explaining the source, functionality, and applications of stem cells and exosomes in medical treatment.

They discuss the potential of stem cells in treating various conditions, including joint degeneration, and kidney failure, emphasizing the importance of a holistic approach to health that includes diet, exercise, sleep, and the integration of regenerative medicine. Additionally, Dr. Gross highlights the cutting-edge research in regenerative biologics, specifically targeting cancer with exosomes and mitochondrial transfer therapy as future directions. The episode encourages listeners to consider regenerative methods as part of their health and wellness routine and provides information on how to contact Dr. Gross for those interested in exploring stem cell therapy.


03:43 Deep Dive into Stem Cells with Dr. Jeffrey Gross

06:03 Exploring the World of Regenerative Medicine

17:23 The Power of Exosomes in Regenerative Therapy

20:01 Lifestyle Choices and Their Impact on Stem Cell Activity

20:54 Future of Stem Cell Use in Treating Advanced Diseases

22:05 Exploring the Versatility of Exosomes in Medical Treatment

23:18 The Power of Fasting and Bone Broth for Gut Health

23:32 Harnessing Hormetic Activities for Stem Cell Benefits

26:43 The Role of Diet and Supplements in Stem Cell Maintenance

29:18 Innovations in Regenerative Medicine and Longevity

34:23 A Deep Dive into Zombie Cells and Mitochondrial Health

37:30 Future Directions in Regenerative Medicine and Contact Information

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And it's always a pleasure for

me to have somebody on the show.

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It's truly just a learning opportunity

for myself as well as for all of you.

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And today we're joined by Dr.

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Jeffrey Gross.

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He's the founder of reseller.

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Great.

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Which is focusing on anti-aging

and regenerative medicine.

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Uh, this Dr.

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Jeffrey Gross is incredibly knowledgeable

on all things, stem cells, and that's

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really what we dive into today.

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He's a trained neurological surgeon

and specializes specifically in

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athletic injuries and spine procedures.

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And he's really focusing on longevity

and just helping us to age slower and

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feel better as we continue to age.

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And personally, for me, I think stem

cells are a really interesting, um,

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practice and something that we're going

to see a lot more of in the future.

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I think we're really just kind of on the.

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The edge of it at the moment,

like we're about to really jump

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over into a new, uh, kind of.

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Whole field of science and,

um, healing for the body.

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Uh, with the use of stem cells.

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So really excited to have him on today.

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Jeff.

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He's a really awesome guy and I was

super happy to have him on the show.

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I know you all are going to have

a ton to take away from today's

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episode, so I hope you all enjoy.

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And, uh, without any further

ado, let's get to it.

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Peace.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Welcome

to the elemental Evan podcast today.

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We're joined with the one and only.

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Dr.

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Jeff, he is a very awesome and

patient person while I work here

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with my technical difficulties.

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So you're already a great person in

my books, but welcome to the show.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Thanks so much.

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And thanks for having me on.

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This is great.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Yeah.

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So I know we already covered this question

and it got erased, but, uh, I wanted to

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start with, uh, the very base here, which

is simply, you know, what are stem cells

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and what are their functions in the body

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Basically stem cells are the very

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cells that made us in the first place.

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When we are an embryo inside of

our mothers, the cells that are

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creating us and developing our

organs and our limbs and everything

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are very powerful stem cells.

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And then later when we're born and

even become an adult, stop growing, you

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know, we, we maintain sort of useful,

but not fully powerful stem cells.

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Uh, we don't have the stem cells in their

current form that can make a new person,

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but they can help renew a lot of our

cells that get used up or, you know, Um,

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you know, age, the most common examples

of cells that renew are like skin cells.

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They, you know, they renew all the time.

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Uh, we, we make new, you know,

cells that make hair and make nails,

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even our liver and other organ.

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Uh, those cells can renew themselves.

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Stem cells are also harbored in our

body to help us fight inflammation, uh,

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help our immune system, help us heal.

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So for example, if I

cut or something, they.

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They bring in all the healing factors

and other cells to help us repair.

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So they, they are about restoration,

regeneration, and repair.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: gotcha.

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And so.

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As we get older, we obviously produce

less stem cells as time goes on.

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Correct.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Well, we, we probably have, you know, a

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diminishing supply of them, but like all

our cells that are exposed to the modern

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world, uh, things in our water, in our

food, in our air, electromagnetic fields.

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All kinds of things.

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All of our cells get, you know, kind

of gunked up, they get inflamed,

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uh, they have changes within them.

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Some of them are so bad they become what

are called senescent or zombie cells.

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So, that can happen to our stem

cells too, and when our stem cells

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basically become less efficient at

doing what they're supposed to do.

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And that's why regenerative medicine

is now a thing and we could, we could

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use that knowledge to help, you know,

our older cells and our older bodies

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act and repair like a younger person.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Gotcha.

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You, you mentioned regenerative repair.

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What, what exactly is that?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: So

the whole, the whole idea of regeneration

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is to replace a cell that's no good,

no longer useful, senescent, you know,

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just, you know, what stem cells do,

they are regenerative in their nature.

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Other things are regenerative, like growth

factors, growth factors you might find in

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what's called PRP or platelet rich plasma.

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There are regenerative, um, you know,

phytonutrients in plants and in fruits.

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And, and, you know, even protein

has some regenerative capabilities.

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There are even some medications and even

some lifestyle epigenetic activities.

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You know, things like, uh, proper

exercise using your muscles.

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Uh, stretching, yoga, breathing

techniques, meditation, uh, these

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are called lifestyle or epigenetic

factors and they do stimulate stem

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cell activity because they are

regenerative in their own nature.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Wow.

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Okay.

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That's super interesting.

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So there, there are certain practices

that we can be doing right now.

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Essentially the things that keep us

the most healthy already that we know,

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you know, things like exercise and

breath, like you were mentioning, and

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so by doing those practices, they are.

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Essentially inducing the, the action

of, of our stem cells, correct?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Right.

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And in fact, there are, there's some

great studies, uh, you can Google, you

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know, yoga and stem cells and there, there

are actually studies showing increase

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in circulating stem cells and activity.

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And people with a regular yoga practice,

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Wow.

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So that's why all the

yogis look so young, huh?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: right?

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Very cool.

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Um, and so in terms of stem cells,

well, actually, I think, would you

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walk us through what, uh, what, um,

Basically, the practice of using stem

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cells for therapy would look like,

is it, you know, do we pull these

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from our own body, from someone else?

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Do we get them from, you know, I,

I believe, is it what, from the

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spinal or from the spine or even

from fat cells if I'm not mistaken?

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Um, yeah.

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How, how does that all work?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Yeah,

let's, uh, let's do a little stem cell

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one on one, uh, because you're right.

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There's a lot of misinformation,

disinformation and, and let's,

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let's set the record straight.

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So, you know, stem cells, we've,

we've been unknowingly tapping

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into this for a long time.

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And, you know, I, I, most of

my medical practice for many

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years was as a spine surgeon.

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And so.

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We would always use some bone

marrow and doing a bone fusion,

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for example, because we want that

those rich healing immune cells.

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So what we were really doing, though,

is tapping into stem cell activity.

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Um, stem cells for therapeutic purposes

can be harvested from your own body.

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Uh, they can be taken from fat,

although that's not always the best.

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They are useful, um, because too

much fat, like an obese person, Can

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be giving off and pro inflammatory

signal that we don't want.

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Bone marrow is probably the

most robust source of our

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healthy stem cell population.

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And if you think about it, the more

stem cells you have, the more The

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healthier you are, the fewer diseases

you have and the longer you will live.

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And to correlate with that, as,

uh, as you lose bone density,

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bone mass, you're losing your

bone marrow and your stem cells.

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So, uh, many, many people know

that a lack of bone density.

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is correlated with a lack

of longevity and vice versa.

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So what you're really doing, you

support your bones by using your muscles

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and you support your bone marrow.

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You're supporting your stem cells.

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You'll live longer.

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Stem cells can also be harvested from

donors and those donors are usually

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mothers who just gave birth to a baby by

C section and instead of throwing away The

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placenta, the umbilical cord, the amniotic

fluid, it can be donated and tested and

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screened by reputable suppliers and labs

and, and used for regenerative purposes.

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And when you compare, you know, my 58

year old stem cells to fresh out of

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the womb, unadulterated stem cells that

have not been exposed to the world's

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pro inflammatory oxidative problems.

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I like the younger stuff.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Yeah.

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No, but does getting stem cells from.

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Someone else are they less effective

as opposed to using your own stem

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cells that might be I don't know

like more Accustomed to your body

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like does that play a role at all?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

No, you know, stem cells and stem

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cell related, uh, signaling particles

called exosomes, um, uh, which are

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part of the family of regenerative

biologics are not known to have

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any meaningful immune response.

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So they're not likely to be rejected.

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They don't harbor The molecules

on the cell surface to make them

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look like an individual, the kind

of things you would look for.

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If you're looking for a bone donor

matched, you know, you know, for

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a recipient, it's not like that.

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They're very neutral that

we call immunoprivileged.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Hmm.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

get to enter the body without.

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causing any stir.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Gotcha.

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Okay Now I have a kind of a weird question

here, but You know, I know it's a kind of

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a becoming a more common practice in at

least like the Western world where after

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giving birth Some mothers will encapsulate

their their you know, their placenta

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and consume it now are there benefits?

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With stem cells through consuming

it that way, or does it have to

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go through a different process?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

So there are benefits from

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consuming the placenta.

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These are well known health

benefits in many cultures.

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Uh, the West is a little

late to the to the game.

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But, um, you know, in other

cultures, they just eat it.

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They just cook it up and eat it, right?

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So the placenta is rich in stem

cell and stem cell derived Signaling

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factors called exosomes, as I

mentioned, and those exosomes do

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a lot of the work of encouraging

ourselves to behave in a more anti

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inflammatory way and anti inflammatory

is usually works against disease.

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So that's good.

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We want that.

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And, um, anti inflammatory is anti aging.

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So, um, we see this also

in other, uh, examples.

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For example, bone broth.

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Uh, because it's from bone marrow or

bones, it has, it's rich in exosomes

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and stem cell derived exosomes, cell

signaling from exosomes to encourage

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our own cells to behave better.

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Uh, we see this, if you, if

you go to a fancy restaurant,

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they might serve bone marrow.

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Uh, and what is your mother and your

grandmother make you when you're sick?

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They make you chicken soup from the

chicken stock, which is from the exosomes

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and the stem cells and the chicken bones.

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So this is not new.

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Plants also make exosomes.

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I know, uh, on your show before you've

spoken about chlorophyll and other things.

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I mean, these are the plant derived

exosomes stimulate our stem cells as well.

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Yeah,

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: like I

only typically hear of the correlation

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between stem cells and I would say I

guess like animal products or Uh, even

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I guess human animals really as well.

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But I mean, um, yeah, I've never

heard of that with uh with plants

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as well So that's super interesting

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

it's it's very big now a lot of you

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know, these You know, we'll call them,

you know, fruits and vegetable powders.

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Supplements have been around

for a long time, getting

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better and better all the time.

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Um, They, they are rich in

exosomes from plant cells.

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Those exosomes carry a similar cargo.

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The cargo is usually a growth

factors in small, well preserved

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proteins like heat shock protein.

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And I don't know if you've had

anyone on your show before has

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spoken about the health and longevity

benefits of sauna, uh, sauna use.

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It's because you get in this hot, uh, you

know, temperature and your cells release

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these proteins called heat shock proteins.

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They, they tend to be survival

proteins and they fight inflammation.

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They support longevity.

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And it turns out those same proteins

are found in these plant derived and

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stem cell derived exosomes from, from

the plants in the first group and from.

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Humans and other animals in the

second group that that's how much

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the similarities are between plants

and animals down when you get to

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the very primitive growth factors.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Wow.

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That's wild.

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Yeah.

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It's, you know, actually I've spoken

about sauna before on the show, but

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I haven't really had someone speak

too much towards like heat shock

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proteins, like you just mentioned.

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And, uh, the real health benefits.

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I just know that the power of a sauna

is like even just using it once a week

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for not even a super long period of time

can have some massive health benefits.

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Um, but yeah, I haven't really

gone too deep on that one.

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Um, do you, do you have a

sauna that you use personally?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

I'm just in the process of shopping

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for a new one, but I've been reading

more about it and doing a deep dive

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on different forms of hormesis, like,

you know, we want to build a little

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resilience in your body and make it

survive better with exercise, sauna.

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cold plunge, fasting.

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Those are, those are the big ones.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Gotcha.

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Okay.

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So coming back to with stem cells being

used on different parts of the body.

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What, what do you typically

use stem cells for?

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I know you mentioned like

anti aging properties.

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You also, uh, I believe you've

mentioned before that, um, you know,

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can help with things like even was it

sciatica pain and Uh, as well, or like

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back pain and just injuries overall.

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Is that typically what you

would use stem cells for

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Well, I would say we use them for a

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few different general groups of things.

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The low hanging fruit in my

practice is, is joint degeneration.

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Things that a doctor may call arthritis

or osteoarthritis or bone on bone or

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chondromalacia, which means wearing

down of the cartilage surfaces.

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Most of our patients come in with

joint pain, uh, inflammation.

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and they're trying to avoid

a joint replacement surgery.

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So we follow protocols that have

been around for 20 years in Europe.

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We're just late to the party.

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And, uh, we do specialized MRIs.

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We target the areas

that need the love most.

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And, um, the, the areas where, where we

get the benefit is actually in the bone

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marrow and what's called the subchondral

bone, just adjacent to the joint.

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So we're not injecting the joint.

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The cartilage, because the cartilage is

like hair, it's made from the bone, just

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like our scalp follicles make hair, the

bone makes the cartilage, the bone, the,

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the chondrocyte cells in the, in the bone.

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So we re stimulate the, the stem cells

and the chondrocytes and your own

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cells in the bone by injecting the

signaling factors that we call exosomes.

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Uh, we could do both stem cells too, but

exosomes I find are easier to handle.

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We can get a more concentrated dose.

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Uh, they travel further in the

tissue and last longer, and

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they're about half the price.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: now?

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Sorry.

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And the difference between stem cells and

exosomes, uh, what, what is it exactly?

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And then also do, do you derive

them from the exact same place?

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Like, do you pull them both from arrow?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Yeah.

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So I, I'm only now using, uh, donated,

uh, perinatal products from someone who

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just had a baby and the exosomes are the

small, not that cells aren't small, but

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even smaller signaling factors, a little

bit of a membrane with these heat shock

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proteins, growth factors, micro RNAs.

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That the stem cell makes and, and if, if

you, if I were to give you, Evan, if I

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were to give you a stem cell injection

somewhere, those stem cells are making

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and delivering exosomes to you in, in

most, mostly the stem cells delivery

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factor, the exosomes are doing the work.

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So we're cutting out the middleman.

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So even though the whole buzzword here

is stem cell medicine, it's really

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the exosomes that are doing the work.

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We're just skipping right

to the medicine part.

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So we, we, we inject the exosomes

from the perinatal source.

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We don't have to harvest anything.

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And, uh, we have been demonstrating

in many patients, improvement in

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pain, improvement in function,

no longer needing a surgery.

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And, uh, we have some people we've

done MRIs before and after, separated

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by eight, nine months or longer.

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We've seen an increase in the thickness

of the cartilage in the knee, for

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example, after these injections.

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So, so we know we're stimulating

those bone cells to make

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those cartilage proteins.

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The cartilage itself in the joint

injection doesn't do as much because the

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cartilage is really biological rubber.

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It's not a lot of cells in there.

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There are some, but not a lot.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Wow.

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Okay.

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I had no idea.

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So X exosomes is the thing we want to

really focus on here and, and utilize.

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Um, I know I've had, uh, A family friend,

I think he had something wrong with his

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rotator cuff and, uh, was using, uh, you

know, some stem cell therapy and, and

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he's received a lot of benefit from it.

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So definitely seems to be

something to this for sure.

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And super fascinating about cartilage.

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I actually did not know that.

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And that's a great.

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Uh, a way to think of it as like hair

growing out of, you know, your head,

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basically, like, that's super fascinating.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Yeah, the activity is in the bone and

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that's why people with inflammatory and

metabolic problems have osteoarthritis

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problems at a more accelerated rate.

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Because the status of their

body's cell activity is affecting

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the cells in their bone.

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And that's why they have more

problems with like knee pain and

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joint pain and things like that.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Yeah.

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And I wonder too, if specifically doing

like resistance training would be most

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beneficial for, you know, stem cell

production or activity in the body

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due to, uh, kind of like the stress

that's being put on the bone and really

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causing it to, you know, adapt to

the stress that's being placed on it.

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And, uh, hopefully helping to.

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You know, stay away from things

like osteoporosis, but I wonder if

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that's kind of like, do you know

if that's one of the best methods

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in terms of Trying to increase that

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

it's some type of weight bearing

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resistance exercise is probably the

single easiest and best thing you can do

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for longevity because it's stimulating

maintenance of the bone marrow and thereby

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maintenance of the stem cell population.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: wow, that

is that's absolutely fascinating.

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So, um, okay.

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And now in terms of, uh, do we see like

stem cells being used for even possibly

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like, I don't know, like advanced

diseases down the road, like even.

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You know, I, I don't know, but any

kind of disease, like whether we're

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talking like from dementia to cancer

to any, any, you know, liver failure,

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do we see it being used for those?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Yeah, so let me cover that, but it's

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fair to say that, you know, I want all

your listeners to know that, you know,

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what everything I'm saying here is,

uh, with the knowledge that the FDA has

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not yet approved for marketing claims.

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anything involving stem cells or

biologics for treatment or cure.

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So what I'm telling you here are

things that we know from the scientific

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literature, things we've seen in our

office on, you know, observations,

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but we're not allowed to make

any claims, not like doctors make

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guarantees anyway, we really can't,

but I want to be clear about that.

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But having said that, yes,

I've used IV exosomes for, uh,

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stem cell derived exosomes.

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for people with failing kidneys,

uh, and kept them from dialysis.

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I don't know that I can do it for

everyone, but we've, we've done it.

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Uh, I've, I've helped people recovering

from heart attack and stroke.

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The earlier we get to them, the

better same with brain injury.

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Um, I don't have a big experience in

liver failure, but again, the organs.

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In the body, uh, do receive

a lot of blood flow.

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They do get the exosomes delivered

to them when we give them.

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Um, so it's possible we have people

we've done the breathing treatment with

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exosomes who have had like long COVID

syndromes and, and a different type of

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fibrotic or inflammatory lung problems.

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As long as there is an

inflammatory component.

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The exosomes are known to suppress

cellular inflammation activity generally.

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So people with autoimmune problems, uh,

you know, irritable bowel syndromes,

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and even some weird infections like

the long COVID or Lyme's disease, have

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some benefit in the inflammatory sense.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Uh, so wild.

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Yeah.

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That's when you mentioned irritable bowel

syndrome, that's, that's me for sure.

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Um, I've gotten so much

better as time has gone on.

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Um, but still, you know, like still

navigating my way, uh, through trying to

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just get my gut totally where I want it.

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Uh, but I will say, One of the

big things has definitely been,

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um, fasting and bone broth.

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That's been a huge

combo that I really use.

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And, um, does fasting have any, uh,

benefits as well for STEM cells?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

yeah, it's, it's one of the big

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hormetic activities that, uh,

fasting exercise, heat and cold.

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Those are probably the four big

ones, uh, you know, that build that

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resilience and, and stimulate the

release of survival proteins in the

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body that those proteins stimulate the,

you know, reset of the immune system.

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They stimulate the bone marrow

production of, um, stem cells and

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stem cell, you know, proliferation.

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And they stimulate, you know,

hormone release and things like that.

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So, yeah, that's, that's big.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Awesome.

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Yeah, no, happy to hear that.

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I mean, I feel, I feel like there's,

There can be a limit with, uh, with

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fasting, you know, and it needs to be

done properly, but, um, it's always nice

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to just have some reassurance that, you

know, you're doing some good stuff with

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the fasting, but I've noticed a massive

benefit with, uh, with my gut health

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every time I've done a fast, especially,

uh, the longer fast, like going two or

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three days, uh, typically with fasting

and then especially following it up

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with the first meal of bone broth.

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It just seems to, for like a

week, my digestion is just.

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Top tier.

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Um, yeah, it's been, it's

been really massive for me.

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So I've been trying to work on things

like that, but it's interesting to

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hear that, you know, possibly using,

uh, stem cells for like even gut

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health can be really beneficial.

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It makes a lot of sense too.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Yeah.

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It really, they really do

suppress body inflammation.

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We see this, we do some, um, uh,

inflammatory markers and biological age

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tests, you know, before a treatment and

then maybe a month or two after treatment.

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And we can see beneficial differences

in, in the whole body inflammation.

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And, and, and we know that

particularly with an immune problem.

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The suppressing inflammation

goes a long way.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Wow.

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And what, what do you guys use

to track the biological age?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

So, uh, there are a couple

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of different ways to do it.

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Uh, different tests on the market.

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One of my favorite ones is called

glycinate, which measures, uh, how

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many sugar molecules get appended

to your antibodies in your body.

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Uh, and we know with regular

aging that happens and we know the

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patterns and the profiles, cause

there's, there's specificity to it.

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And you can reverse that by changing

lifestyle, by changing what you take or

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receive, or you know, how you do things.

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So it's a way to measure biological age.

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Most of the tests on the market measure

intracellular things, or even, because

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antibodies are outside the cell.

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But inside the cell you've got You

know, um, telomeres at the end of

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your DNA and how long they are.

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You've got, uh, different,

different changes to the DNA.

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Uh, you know, it becomes, you know,

glycosylated over time, things like that.

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So that's, those are some

of the intracellular markers

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and those are good tests too.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Okay.

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Gotcha.

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Um, yeah.

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And then you had mentioned.

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Multiple times already on the podcast,

but what, uh, what would be some of the

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big movers for just naturally taking

care of your, of your stem cells?

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Like, what are some of the things that

you do or would recommend for people

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in terms of, I know we mentioned like

yoga or resistance training and, um,

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you know, fasting and all that, but what

would be some of your, your really big

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movers you would focus on personally?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Yeah.

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I mean, I would, I would make

sure there's exercises, part of

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your lifestyle that includes,

uh, resistance or weight bearing.

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Uh, I would include, uh, a real effort.

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To sleep restoratively, uh, by, you know,

the right amount of time, not too little,

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not too much, but you know, cold room,

dark room, no screens for an hour before.

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You know, mindfulness,

meditation, whatever it takes

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to really get some deep sleep.

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Most of us, uh, uh, you know, I'm a

big proponent of melatonin at bedtime.

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Even if you go to sleep fine,

you're not using it for that.

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You're using it to stimulate

the cell repair process during

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the dark cycle, which is night.

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So it's like the opposite of cortisol.

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And you need that hormone because we

really stopped making it after puberty.

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Um, uh, besides that, I think proper

diet, enough protein, clean diet, uh,

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stay away from the vegetable oils.

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Um, Uh, I, I am a carnivore,

uh, but I know there are a

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lot of people who are not.

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So those, those who are not really

need to work on getting quality

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protein and all the missing and branch

chains, uh, essential amino acids.

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I'm a big, big fan of omega 3.

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I think the vast majority of

Americans are underdosing themselves

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on fish oil or omega 3 supplements.

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If you look at the blue zones, they

have high omega 3 indexes, meaning

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Getting a lot more seafood, uh, and

omega 3s in their diet normally.

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And we need to work hard to do that.

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Um, and there's, there's, there's

really good literature to support that.

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Um, other, other nutritional gaps.

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I'm a big fan of vitamin

D3 supplementation.

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The sun does not make vitamin D3.

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It converts some vitamin D2 to vitamin D3.

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But you don't know how

much vitamin D2 you have.

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So you can't just go

out in the sun too much.

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You'll hurt your skin too.

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Uh, you really need to take a significant

amount of vitamin D3, so 5, 000 and

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even 10, 000 international units a

day, which you, you know, a multi, a

525

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multivitamin, a one a day might have

500 or a thousand, it's not enough.

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And we know that vitamin D3

reduces all cause mortality.

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And it really, if it's not, if

it's reducing all the things that

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kill you, you'll live longer.

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It's a longevity, uh, and anti

inflammatory, um, supplement.

530

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And there are many others.

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We could talk supplements for hours.

532

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Uh, so diet supplements, sleep,

exercise, um, and then, you

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know, you want to get fancy.

534

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We've talked about regenerative medicine.

535

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Do you, you know, if you can,

we, we can do IV exosomes.

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You can do stem cells.

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You don't have to leave

the country to do it.

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Um, the, the outfits outside the

country can advertise because they

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don't have the FDA to deal with.

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So you hear all kinds of claims, but

do your homework before you do that.

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Um, and there are even some, I'm

not a big pharmaceutical guy.

542

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I don't love that, but there are

some medications that are naturally

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found that are known to be longevity

medications like rapamycin people

544

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use now metformin or semi glutide,

particularly if your weight is high.

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to reduce sugar exposure.

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If you have insulin sensitivity problems,

that might be something for you.

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Um, there are even people using Cialis,

Viagra, and there are some of the

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statins, even though statins can cause

problems, some of them have now been

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found to be associated with longevity.

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So look it up.

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Longevity meds, And you'll

be surprised what you see.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309:

Oh, that's awesome.

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And no, I'm thank you for mentioning that.

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I really, uh, I appreciate.

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You know, you taking a kind of a holistic

approach to really looking at every

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aspect of life and, and recognizing that,

like, you know, if you have the time and

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you're able and which we all should be

doing, like, let's try these methods.

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But, you know, when it gets to a

point where you're bone on bone or,

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you know, really you need the extra

help, um, you know, come in and, and,

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and like you said, do the research,

find a good practitioner like yourself

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and, uh, and come get checked out.

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And now you had mentioned you were a.

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Sorry.

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You, you, what was your

profession prior to this?

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Had you

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Yeah, well, I still am a

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neurosurgeon with Spine Fellowship.

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So I treated neck and back pain

the vast majority of my career.

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And I went into regenerative

medicine just because a lot of

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my patients were like, Hey, doc,

we're trying not to have surgery.

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I'm like, yeah, I get it.

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I don't want you to have it either.

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But nothing else worked.

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How about stem cells, doc, you know?

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And you hear it enough times,

you know, like, okay, I'll, I'll

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start getting trained there.

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There, there's gotta be something there.

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So I started going back and getting

reeducated and about five, six years

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ago, this, this just blossomed and

I'm doing so much of, of regenerative

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medicine now compared to my old stuff.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Wow.

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And so do you see like typical, uh,

surgeries that you would have had

583

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to have performed or, or, you know,

still do perform, but that you can now

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treat with just your, uh, with, with

using, um, these exosomes and stuff.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Well, we, we are trying these things

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to help people heal and avoid surgery.

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That's that's what we're doing.

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And we want to maintain our compliance

with the FDA by saying it that way.

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Uh, you know, but, uh, yeah, we're,

we're, we're seeing some, some

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benefits in many cases, and I'm

happy to offer it as an additional

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tool to delay or put off surgery.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Gotcha.

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Yeah.

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And, and I really, uh, I

appreciate you mentioning that too.

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Cause yeah, it's, uh, usually

I hear of stem cell work being

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done like abroad pretty much.

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And so thank you for mentioning that.

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Um, yeah, like we have great practitioners

here and as well, like you said, you can't

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make these claims because of the FDA and,

and, you know, with, with reason, right.

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Um, but no, for, thank

you for mentioning that.

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And also on that note,

where are you based out of?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

So my, my main practice here is in,

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uh, the suburb of Las Vegas, Nevada

called Henderson and near the airport.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Very nice.

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Nice.

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Um, yeah.

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And so like typically, so if someone

wanted to like get in touch with you, what

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would be some of the major things that you

would be feel comfortable working with?

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Like you mentioned

cartilage and bone on bone.

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Is that typically the main

one that you work with?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: That's

the most frequent it's that it's not,

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I mean, I'm not saying, Hey, you know,

that's what I, the only thing we'll do,

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we, we like to hear new problems to see

if we can find a solution or something

614

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to try, you know, um, you know, there

are new, you know, I didn't get to, say

615

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this earlier, you mentioned cancer, you

know, currently we're not using stem

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cells for cancer, but there are some new

newly identified types of exosomes that

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come from certain T cells in the immune

system that are known to kill cancer.

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We're looking at that very closely.

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Um, I'm not saying we can do it

yet, but, uh, I, I'm looking to

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incorporate that at some point.

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We're looking for these sort of more

specialized cell derived exosomes

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from different types of stem cells.

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Not just regular what we call

MSCs or mesenchymal stromal cells.

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Um, those are more for general

organ purposes or cartilage

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help, you know, joint help or

inflammation and across the board.

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But I like to see all kinds of patients.

627

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I like problems that no

one else can figure out.

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Uh, let's take a deep dive.

629

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We see a lot of patients all over the

country and outside the country by Zoom.

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And we, we, you know, help them

order whatever tests are needed.

631

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And only the patients we think

we can help do we invite to

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come see us here in Las Vegas.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Yeah, I know.

634

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That's thank you for, for going

back and speaking about that.

635

:

That's a major point.

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Uh, and a major topic to cover.

637

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Um, I know you also had mentioned

earlier, uh, zombie cells.

638

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Would you mind going a little deeper

on those, uh, for the listeners?

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Sure.

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You know, we have these cells in

our body and, and, and just like

641

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with our population of people,

you know, our very elder, older

642

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patients have trouble functioning.

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They have dementia, you know,

their heart function doesn't work.

644

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They have trouble getting around.

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They're, they're sort of the zombie cells.

646

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Um, they can't contribute, you know, like,

like they'd want to, or we want them to.

647

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So we have cells like that, that

are in our body, just kind of taking

648

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up space, using resources, using

nutrients, but not giving back.

649

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And those are called zombie cells, and

the more zombie cells you have, uh,

650

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the more diseases, the more problems,

the more The more aged that person is.

651

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So there's a lot of work in, in the

biochemical sciences, the molecular

652

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biology sciences to target those

cells and rid ourselves of them.

653

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There's a process of ridding ourselves

of cells, uh, called apoptosis.

654

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And we want to get rid of those cells.

655

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Things like the hot sauna, the other

hormesis type things, help us remove

656

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those zombie cells, recycle their parts.

657

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and renew, get that stem

cell activity going.

658

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We can also have zombie cells in

our stem cell population where

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they're not working as well either.

660

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So if you, if you're a smoker and you

drink too much and you've never exercised

661

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and you're obese and all kinds of

problems, you have a lot of zombie cells.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Gotcha.

663

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Gotcha.

664

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And so I know with, um, with mitochondria,

it's, if I'm not mistaken, the younger,

665

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the mitochondria are the, like, the

more you have, obviously, like the

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better and more efficient they can be.

667

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And as you, um, you know, get stuck

in your ways, if you eat just like a

668

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really poor diet, they can get very

inefficient at, you know, burning

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multiple forms of energy and they

kind of get just stuck in their way.

670

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Uh, does the same thing kind

of happen with stem cells?

671

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Do they become inefficient as well?

672

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Essentially is that.

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Basically the same thing

that's happening there.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Yeah.

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They're just like any cell in that way.

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They, they're, they're affected by what

they're exposed to, their activity.

677

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And what have you, and you're right

though, uh, mitochondria, the number

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of mitochondria in our cells and in our

muscle cells, particularly, uh, they're

679

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more than just a powerhouse of the cell.

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They, they help drive, you know,

uh, whether or not that cell

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is going to be a zombie or, or

divide or where we are with cells.

682

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There's a, there's also a set of

exosomes being looked at that are rich in

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mitochondria that can donate mitochondria.

684

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It's called mitochondrial,

uh, transfer therapy.

685

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And, um, it's being looked at first for

people who have actually mitochondrial

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diseases, but we're going to find

that it has use in the biohacking

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world, you know, to enhance your

maintenance of your muscle mass.

688

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And if, if you can maintain

your muscle mass, then you're

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maintaining your bones better.

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You maintain your stem

cell, you'll live longer.

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So that kind of thing.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309:

That's, that's fascinating.

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That is super cool.

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Oh my

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

is all out there.

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It's happening.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: man.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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So, uh, what, and is that one

of the things that you're kind

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of looking into currently?

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Cause I know you said, you're like,

you like to look into the things that

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people are not, you know, able to

figure out you like the hard challenge.

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Is that one of them,

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332: Yep.

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So we're, we're reaching forward.

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We're working with scientists to be one of

the places where you, you might be able to

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have access to these early, early things.

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Those aren't, you know, the, the cancer

killing ones and the mitochondrial

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rich ones aren't yet available,

but when you think about it, it

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might be a treatment for obesity.

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Inject these mitochondrial laden disease.

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Exosomes into fat, it converts white

fat to brown fat and brown fats, the

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stuff that goes away when you exercise.

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So, uh, we've got all kinds of great

ideas we're working on here and, uh,

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with in conjunction with good science.

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This is, we're not just

shooting in the dark.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: man,

that is no, that's exciting.

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I, I like that.

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Um, man, okay.

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We need to, we need to talk about

the stuff that's coming up and I

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want to be in touch with you on these

because, uh, it's very exciting stuff.

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And now I know we, uh, we're having a

little bit of a shorter episode today.

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Uh, just cause we had the

technical difficulties.

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So I'm going to probably want to bring

you back on, um, in the near future.

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If you're okay with that, dr.

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Jeff, and,

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

I would love it.

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Anytime.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Yeah.

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And, but before we do go, I want

to, uh, give you an opportunity to

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kind of let people know how they

can get in touch with you, kind of

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what that process would look like.

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Um, of course I will share any

links that you would like in the

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description, uh, with our listeners,

but, uh, yeah, please let people know

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how to connect with you, how to find

you and, um, and reach out to you.

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Cause, um, Yeah, I feel like

everyone has the potential to

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gain some benefit from that.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Oh, thanks so much.

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Well, we, uh, our, our business name is

called re celebrate because you're, you're

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celebrating the renewal of yourselves.

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So it's R E.

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C E L L E B R A T E.

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So, uh, we're on, we're on the internet,

we're on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook,

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LinkedIn, where you just type in

ReCelebrate, you'll find us, message us

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through whatever, and go to our website

and fill out a little, uh, you know,

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reach out form and we'll get back to you.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Amazing.

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Well, uh, you might be hearing

from me one of these days.

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My, uh, my dad might be one

of your future patients.

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I'm not going to lie.

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He's, uh, he's done, uh,

air conditioning for.

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Oh, probably almost 40 years now.

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I would say he's, uh, I think

he's turning 69 this year.

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So, um, yeah, he's, he's getting

up there and, um, that kind of work

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takes a toll on the body for sure.

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So you might be hearing from

me sooner rather than later.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

We'd be happy to see them, of course.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Amazing.

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Well, Dr.

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Jeff, thank you so much.

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I truly, truly appreciate you and, and

all of the work that you're doing as well.

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And pushing the needle in this

category is what it sounds like,

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which I really appreciate that you're.

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Uh, a trailblazer and helping many.

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So I appreciate that big time.

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dr--jeff-gross_2_05-01-2024_165332:

Thanks for having me on, Evan.

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It's awesome.

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evan-_2_05-01-2024_165309: Absolutely.

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All right, everyone.

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Well, thank you so much for joining us.

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You probably very likely going to have Dr.

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Jeff on another episode.

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So, uh, don't worry, we'll hear

more from him and, uh, thank

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you all very much for tuning in.

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Hope y'all have a great one and peace.

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Welcome to the Elemental Evan show. My name is Evan Roberts and I'm a certified IIN Health Coach and Yoga Teacher. I love taking a whole approach to health as everything is connected. When you treat one issue in the body, you'll inevitably treat other issues in the body which is why I try to look at things from a big picture perspective. Through this show I'll be bringing you information packed episodes on tangible ways to improve your overall health and wellness. I hope you walk away from each episode feeling empowered and renewed to take on the day and take control of your health!

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