194. Navigating Autoimmune Diseases through Nutrition With Risa Groux

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What's going on, everybody.

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Today's episode, we are joined by

Risa . She's a functional nutritionist

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and certified auto-immune coach.

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As you already know, if you listen

to this show frequently enough,

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I love having people on the show.

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It's an opportunity for not only you,

but myself as well to learn and to

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hopefully expand my knowledge on all

things, health and wellness and today's

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episode definitely did just that.

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Risa is a wealth of knowledge

and was able to hit on.

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A bunch of awesome topics,

topics that I have.

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Uh, personal questions on and

wanted to hear more about,

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which was really awesome for me.

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And I believe that it's going to

be very applicable to everyone.

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Uh, we dive into things such

as auto immune diseases.

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You know, ways in which you can start

to, uh, work on, hopefully reversing

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them or at least slowing them down.

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Uh, of course in her practice,

that is her specialty.

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So if you were to work with her, that

is what she would be focusing on and

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helping you step by step to get there.

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Uh, as well, the importance of testing

and actually doing some blood draws

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and some stool samples to really get

down to the root of what's going on

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in your body and how you can start

taking steps forward to improve that.

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And as well, we talk, we talk on

a topic that has, you know, been

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on my mind here a lot recently.

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And if you look at some of the episodes

I've been recording, it makes sense.

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And that his liver and

gallbladder health, because.

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They tie into our digestive health,

which for me, that's a huge topic.

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Of course.

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I always love to talk about my

digestion probably way too much.

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So sorry to all of you, but.

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It's really true.

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Digestive health is so important.

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It's really at the root of our health.

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Um, all disease begins in the gut.

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This has been known for

a long period of time.

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And, uh, therefore we dive into liver

health, gallbladder health, the role

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that bile plays in digestion, fat

malabsorption, the importance of fiber in

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removing some of that bile from your body.

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Uh, our gallbladder and liver

cleanses safe to be doing, and,

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uh, definitely much, much more.

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We also leave you with some good places

to start in terms of taking control

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of your health and moving forward.

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Um, and if you have an auto-immune

disease, reach out to RESA.

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Um, that is.

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You know, kind of one of

her specialties right there.

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So a great person to work with in

terms of that, but as well, she also

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Uh, and you'll be able to find

that in the show notes and the

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description and that way she can

speak a little bit more towards that.

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And she also has a book that came

out in, I believe it was: 2023

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Might've been 2022.

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Sorry if I'm incorrect on that.

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Uh, but it's called food frame.

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Diet is a four letter word, and really

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And without further ado, let's

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Evan: this.

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Lisa, um, can you please give

us a little intro on yourself?

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Risa: Yeah.

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So my name is Risa grew and I

am a functional nutritionist

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and a autoimmune specialist.

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Um, I have a practice that I've had for

decades in Newport beach, California, and

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I work with people all over the country.

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Um, I have been doing a lot

more autoimmunity, but I work

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with tons of people from.

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Um, professional athletes have worked

with Freddie couples with his back

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pain and, um, just tons of people.

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So with all kinds of health concerns or

wanting to optimize their health, um,

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I have been doing this for a long time

and I'm always looking for root causes.

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I'm also looking for prevention.

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And I am considering, I consider the

whole body as one interconnected unit.

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So everything has to do with each other.

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Um, in addition, I always look at data.

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So I order a lot of data.

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I order a comprehensive blood screen.

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I order a stool test with

everybody that I work with.

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So at least I know what's going on.

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I leave the guessing to conventional

medicine and I'm really finding

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out what is going on and why.

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Uh, we're having particular

health concerns or, uh, symptoms.

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Evan: So, um, I like to always start

just base level and build it up

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from there, uh, for the listeners.

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So anyone can, uh, understand

what we're talking about.

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So first off, what is an autoimmune

disease and, and what are some

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examples of an autoimmune disease?

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Okay.

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Thanks.

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Risa: Yeah.

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So autoimmune, unfortunately

is becoming more prevalent.

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Uh, to date, we currently have 50 million

Americans are affected with autoimmunity

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and unfortunately it's growing.

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Um, it basically means that you are

in the state of attack, that your body

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is creating these antibodies, right?

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There's, there's a reason why your

body is creating these antibodies.

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It's because it feels that there's

a foreign invader in there and so it

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creates antibodies that sort of system,

and then we eventually find a place

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to park those antibodies in a, in a

cell and organ or tissue or a gland.

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And so for instance, Hashimoto's,

which is very, very common, that's

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something that I used to have.

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I was able to reverse it, but it,

that's where my antibodies were

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attacking my thyroid and you don't

want to do that for a very long time

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because it attacks your thyroid gland.

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It eats up your gland.

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Um, something like fibromyalgia

is going to attack your muscles.

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Right.

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You can have a lot of muscle pain.

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Rheumatoid arthritis is joint pain.

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So it's a lot of joint pain.

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Type one diabetes is an autoimmune

disease, lupus, Sjogren's.

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There's so many now that people

are dealing with and there's some

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every now and then I get one that

I've never even heard of before, but

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it's basically the same mechanism of

what I call a fire in the basement.

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We've got this raging fire

of inflammation, right?

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Systemic inflammation across the body

that is creating these antibodies.

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And we know that that inflammation

is the driver of disease.

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So what I'm going to do is trying to

put that fire out very aggressively.

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I'm gonna do that through food and through

supplements and a little bit of lifestyle.

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Um, when you go to a conventional,

uh, doctor, typically they're maybe

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giving you a squirt gun, right?

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They're going to give you a medication.

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Typically it doesn't work.

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Sometimes it may, but

typically it doesn't work.

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Um, and so, you know, like in Crohn's or

colitis, those are both also autoimmune.

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And you know, you can get infusions and

things like that, but you're basically

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trying to manage your situation.

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You're not trying to reverse it.

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Now, not all autoimmune

diseases can be reversed.

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In my experience, things like

Parkinson's, which is autoimmune

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related, you cannot reverse that, but

can you slow down the progression?

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Absolutely.

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I'm watching it every day.

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So, um, some things can be

reversed like Hashimoto's.

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I've seen that many,

many times in my office.

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Rheumatoid arthritis,

we've been able to reverse.

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Um, and some things we just, as I

said, you slow down the progression,

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Evan: right?

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And you mentioned earlier that

you yourself have dealt with

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Hashimoto's, uh, in the past.

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Do you mind sharing kind of how

you reversed or took care of that?

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Risa: Yeah.

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So it started kind of when I was, um, I

had my first child shortly after we got

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married and it was like not an issue.

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Got pregnant right away.

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First try, everything was easy.

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And then when we tried for our second,

it was a whole different story.

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We just couldn't get pregnant.

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Um, I C if we did get pregnant,

I couldn't keep the baby.

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It was having miscarriages.

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And so I finally kind of surrendered

and went to a fertility specialist

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and he did a bunch of blood work and

basically handed over a script on the.

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Uh, other side of the desk and said,

Hey, you've got an underachieving

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thyroid and you're going to

need to take this medication.

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And I said, well, like for how long?

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And he said every day.

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And I said, no, no, no.

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For how long?

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And he said, Oh, for

the rest of your life.

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So I left there with

two burning questions.

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One was why is my thyroid and

underachiever, why is it not making the

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hormone that it was actually born to do?

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And the second question I had was

why is the doctor not trying to fix

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my hormone and why are they not even

concerned in giving me the synthetic

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medication that's going to mimic a

hormone that I should naturally be making.

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So that kind of started me on my journey.

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I ended up finding out that I

had this gene mutation that's

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extremely common called MTHFR.

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Um, 90 percent of the population has it.

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I test everybody for it.

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I have it, both my kids have it.

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And basically it means that you're not

methylizing or processing either your B12.

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and or you're folate, your B nine.

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So super important.

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Folate's really important for

getting pregnant and holding babies.

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So, um, I took the proper B vitamin

and methylated form and next

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thing you know, I got pregnant.

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I carried a baby easy.

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Everything was easy.

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Several years later, I went

to a naturopathic doctor and

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was tested and they tested me

for antibodies to my thyroid.

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And that's when they told

me I had Hashimoto's.

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And at that point, I was like,

okay, this train is off the track.

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Is anybody else worried?

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I'm a little worried here.

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So I'm going to try and find out

why is it going off the track?

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What's happened here to

cause all this chaos.

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And, um, I couldn't find anything,

uh, anywhere at the time.

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It was a long time ago that,

uh, gave you root causes.

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So I started to create my own and I

did a lot of research and went down.

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the path and realize that

a third of it is genetics.

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So, you know, it doesn't mean

you're gonna get it, but you have

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the genetic propensity to get it.

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The second major biggest chunk is leaky

gut, and leaky gut is becoming much more

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prevalent through all the chemicals that

we are eating and the stress and the the

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packaged foods and all that kind of stuff.

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And then we have things like low vitamin

D MTHFR can cause it hormone shifts,

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you know, so after pregnancy or after

menopause, things can happen for women.

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Um, and don't really have that

hormone shift, which is nice for

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you guys until you had andropause.

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But then there's things like

viruses, um, uh, uh, uh, inactive

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dormant virus can become activated.

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Good.

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And that can cause an autoimmune

disease, um, pathogens.

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So that's why I test for stool tests

because there's so many pathogens in

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the gut that if we have an excess of

them or an overgrowth or an imbalance

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that can cause kickoff and autoimmune

disease and then heavy metals, you know,

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I test for mercury and heavy metals.

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And in excess of that can absolutely

spark an autoimmune disease.

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Um, and, uh, you know, lots of

stress, bad sleep, a very impactful

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event, stressful event can, um, too

much alcohol, things like that can

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absolutely spark, um, and low vitamin D.

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I don't know if I said that, but

those are all the things that

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can spark an autoimmune disease.

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Um, and so of course I went down

the list and I had every single one.

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So I had to chelate for almost

a year, all the mercury.

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Uh, all I ate at that time was fish.

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And so, uh, we just accumulate a lot

of mercury when you eat a lot of fish.

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And, um, and then I had everything,

I had Epstein Barr virus and I, I

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went through a long list of things.

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It took me several years.

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Um, I had antibodies that were

1,458, which is quite a bit of

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antibody production, and I was able

to bring that down to less than 34.

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So that's pretty amazing.

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Evan: Yeah, no, that's, that's incredible.

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Honestly.

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Um, what did you do to detox the mercury?

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Risa: I chelated.

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So I chelated for about

about 10, 10 months.

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And I would do, um, a little

bit of, um, an IV chelation or I

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would take pills, uh, capsules.

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to chelate and then I

would keep retesting.

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So I did a few rounds of that,

maybe three rounds of that.

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And I finally got all the mercury out.

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Um, but I'm sure I put it back

in because I eat a lot of fish.

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So unfortunately we have a lot of that.

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So, um, you know, I'm

always testing on that.

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I just did a test on that as well.

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So, um, I, yeah, that's

how I treated the mercury.

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Evan: Gotcha.

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Do you, do you, have you heard anything of

using like high dose chlorophyll or like a

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chlorella or anything high in chlorophyll

to help detox the heavy metals from blood?

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Risa: I did chlorella at the same time

because it's a binder and it, um, I used

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a lot of binders to help bind up that

mercury to get it out of the system.

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You don't want mercury

floating around in your system.

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You want to bind it and get it out.

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So yes, I did that.

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Exactly.

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Evan: Is there a toll as well on

the liver with heavy, heavy metals?

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Uh, because obviously the livers.

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filtering the blood.

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Does it take a toll on that as well?

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Risa: You know, there's two

schools of thought as far as

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heavy metals are concerned.

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There's a big school of thought

saying don't disrupt them.

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They're in there.

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You don't want to take the

risk of disturbing the brain,

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the liver, whatever organs.

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They'll be impacted by getting

it out of the system potentially.

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The other one is get it out.

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I'm sort of at the school of thought

for me, at least I evaluate each person

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individually, but for me, I wanted it out.

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Um, so I took measures, I

made sure I was binding.

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I made sure I was flushing all those

toxins out of my system for sure.

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Evan: Also it like activated

charcoal as well as would

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that be a good binder for it?

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Yeah.

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Risa: Yeah.

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Evan: I, I really appreciate that.

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You mentioned using tests for anyone

that you work with because it truly is

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the best way to get down to the, you

know, the nuts and bolts of everything.

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Hey, this is truly what's going on now.

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We can take steps and measures

from here to move forward.

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But, um, you know, I know that the body.

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speaks, you know, it gives you signs and

many times we can address our bodies in

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that way, but really to get down to the

absolute core of it, you do have to test.

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And so I really appreciate that in terms

of, uh, Tash, you mentioned a stool test.

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What do you typically

use the stool test for?

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Risa: So I'm looking

there for any kind of H.

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pylori, Giardia, E.

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coli, Salmonella.

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I'm also looking at the good guys

to see how many good guys we have.

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And I'm looking at the bad guys.

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Do we have an overgrowth?

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Do we have an imbalance?

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Is there not enough good guys?

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If you've been on lots of antibiotics,

chances are you've eaten up all your

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good guys in addition to your bad guys.

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Um, so I'm looking for that.

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I'm also looking for H.

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pylori, which is a huge root cause leading

to gastric cancers and peptic ulcers.

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And then I'm looking at

autoimmune related, um, pathogens.

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So I'm working with somebody

right now with Sjogren's.

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She had an unusually high amount

of a pathogen called rosemary.

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You're not going to get

any typical GI doctor.

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to order that, right?

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They're not going to see that.

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Typically I've never seen

it come in from a GI doctor.

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And so there's a connection between

rosemary and children's go figure.

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So now this patient that I'm working with,

her symptoms have completely gone away.

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She's not at the end of the protocol yet,

but when she is, I'm going to retest her.

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And, uh, it'll be really interesting to

see if we've been able to get rid of that.

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But, um, so I'm looking at that and

then I'm looking at other things.

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Like I'm looking for steatocrine.

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I'm looking to see if you

have any fat malabsorption.

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What is your pancreatic

enzyme production look like?

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Do we have any microscopic blood in

your stool that could lead to something?

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Do we have any inflammation

in the intestinal lining?

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What is the, uh, you know,

do we have leaky gut?

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So I'm getting a really, really

good picture with 84 markers

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to see where the gut is.

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Do we have a healthy gut?

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Do we have a compromised gut?

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Um, and where do we go from there?

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Evan: Yeah.

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And then with, uh, with methylation as

well, you'd mentioned a lot of people.

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right?

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Where they basically we need to be

taking vitamins in their methylated form.

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Correct.

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Is that the way?

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Risa: Not all, but especially B vitamins.

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So it's either 12 and or fully.

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But again, I test everybody to

find out which allele you have.

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But I only have one allele and I

take a methylcobalamin form of B

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vitamins, all B vitamins, so it's

accessible and your, your body's able

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to absorb it and methylation is huge.

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You know, this is where again,

conventional medicine kind of

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misses the boat here because.

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It can lead, you know, high levels of

homocysteine, which has totally everything

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to do with your methylation process.

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If you have high levels, it can lead to

Alzheimer's or dementia or cardiovascular

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disease, macular degeneration.

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We don't even test people for that, right?

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In a regular lab.

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I test everybody for that.

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It's a huge, you know, I was

working with somebody who came to

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me right after he had got out of

the hospital from a heart attack.

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His cholesterol was 139,

which is egregiously low.

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And I said to him, well, you know,

it wasn't your cholesterol that

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caused the heart attack, right?

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Cause cholesterol doesn't

typically cause a heart attack.

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I know we thought so in the eighties

and we still think so that way now,

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but it's not the reason, right?

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It's inflammation and plaque buildup.

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So when I tested him for his markers for

inflammation for cardiovascular disease.

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Well, of course they

were through the roof.

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Right?

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So, you know, it's just inflammation

is the driver of disease.

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And the two foundational things I

focus on, because after doing this

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for so long, I realized that these are

the two things that either optimize

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our health or endure our health.

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One is systemic inflammation

and the other is gut health.

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So if we don't look at that,

how are we going to know?

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Evan: Yeah, yeah, I know gut health

plays such a role in everything.

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Um, when you start working with someone,

um, of course, giving them tests and,

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and putting them through that process

is probably where you first start.

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But then I would imagine focusing on

the gut would probably be the next step.

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Step that you would take, right?

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Like that's where you would focus next.

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Risa: So the minute you are working

with me, you're going to walk out

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of my office or walk out of that

first appointment with me via zoom

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with a stool test and a blood test.

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So I, you know, I'm not

really good at guessing.

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I can't play darts with the lights

off and I cannot see the target.

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I'm not that good, right?

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I don't know who's that good when

they're playing in the dark, but

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when I have all the lights on and I

can see the target, I'm pretty good.

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You know, and I've been

doing this long enough.

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I could probably do a little bit in the

dark, but I don't really like to do it.

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You know, it's, it's, it's much more

effective when you know what you're doing.

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So I, I do those tests for everybody

now I can test for additional stuff.

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Um, when I was working with Freddie

couples, he came into my office and wanted

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to lose 20 pounds before the masters.

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And I said, okay, fine, that's easy,

but tell me about the back pain.

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You know, you're famous for the back pain.

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You've been wheeled off courses and

stretchers and, and he starts telling

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me all these stories of what he does.

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And I knew he traveled with I'm like,

has anybody tested you for inflammation?

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He said, I don't think so.

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So I ordered all these tests for

information from the guy lives.

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Both of his homes are on golf courses.

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He works on golf courses.

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He is breathing chemicals

day in and day out.

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Well, of course nobody's

ever looked at this.

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So of course his, his inflammatory

markers were just sky high.

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So we were able to dampen those

and his back pain went away.

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So that's a perfect example.

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That's not an autoimmune case, but

that's just a, you know, an example

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of just high levels of inflammation.

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And now where would a park it?

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Would it park it in the

brain for Alzheimer's?

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Would it park it in the, in the

heart for cardiovascular disease?

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Would it park it in the,

in the body for cancer?

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I mean, you know, it just, it's a

matter of time until that inflammation

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is going to show up somewhere.

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Right.

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Evan: Yeah.

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And what, what is the first thing

you would do for someone dealing

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with high levels of inflammation?

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Like, is it through purely diet?

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Are you using supplementation of any kind?

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Like what, what's the main.

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way in which you can bring

that inflammation down.

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Risa: Yeah.

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So anybody who comes to my, uh, we

find out you have any autoimmunity.

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So you have antibodies to anything.

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I'm going to put you on my

fab five supplements, right?

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It's vitamin D.

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Omega glutathione, our master antioxidant.

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It helps protect you from

any oxidative stress.

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That's anything that wants to come

into the body and cause disease.

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Um, tumeric, tumeric, tumeric,

tumeric, and resveratrol, resveratrol,

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my resveratrols with quercetin.

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All of those are very

highly anti inflammatory.

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: 00:21:23

So you're going to have those.

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What levels it's going to depend

on where your numbers come in.

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And then we're going to give you some

foods that are anti inflammatory, right?

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Like protein, fat and fiber.

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We're going to take out the

processed foods, the chemicals.

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We're going to take out the chemicals in

your home, the candles, the deodorant,

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the cologne, the air fresheners,

the, um, you know, all the crap

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cleaning supplies and all that stuff.

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Um, we, those are a great way to,

uh, create toxicity and inflammation.

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Evan: Yeah.

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Um, it's, there's so many different

factors that kind of come and play a role.

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And, and I know there's no like one be all

fix all kind of deal, but um, I like, I

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like that stack that you do right there.

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And I know for glutathione it's,

um, I mainly have heard the benefits

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with it in terms of liver health,

but I know it's an antioxidant.

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So Uh, what, how, how is it benefiting

the liver, but as well, like, what is

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it doing in other parts of the body?

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Is it also just extremely

anti inflammatory?

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Risa: Yes, that's exactly what it is.

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We all make glutathione on our own,

but as we age, just like everything

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else, we kind of make less.

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And what happens with glutathione,

and they're kind of like female

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eggs, we only have a finite amount.

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So once it leaves the

body, it doesn't come back.

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So it's really important at some

point in time, now it depends, now

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I'm not giving everybody glutathione.

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But I'm giving it to people

of high inflammation.

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So it'd be autoimmune.

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I'm giving it to somebody

who needs to flush things out

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because it's going to drive her.

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It's going to, it's going to help

get things out of the system.

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So it depends on your situation.

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What I would give you glutathione for.

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I don't typically give young people

glutathione unless they have antibodies.

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Evan: Uh, what about NAD?

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NAD is the precursor to glutathione.

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Is that correct?

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Risa: NAC is the precursor.

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NAC,

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: 00:23:14

Evan: gotcha.

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Risa: NAC, yes.

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And my glutathione has NAC in it.

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So you have both.

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: 00:23:19

Evan: Very nice.

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Okay.

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So double whammy there.

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Um, and sorry for, is there a downside

to taking it if you're young and you

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don't have high levels of antibodies

or is it more so just like a redundancy

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and you're wasting your money on it?

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Risa: That.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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Evan: Gotcha.

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Okay.

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And then, uh, I know you talk a

lot about, Diet and how food can

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be healing and it is healing.

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Uh, what do you typically go to

in terms of food for patients?

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Are there specific diets you put

on, uh, people for Hashimoto's or,

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um, you know, any, any specific

type of autoimmune disease or, you

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know, even with like healing leaky

gut, is there a protocol to that?

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Like, what is a, what is a well

balanced diet look like for someone

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dealing with some of these issues?

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Risa: Excellent question, Evan.

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Um, you know, when I first started

my practice many, many years ago,

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I kind of put everybody on the

same anti inflammatory protocol.

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And I noticed that so many

people were just thriving and

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some people weren't at all.

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And I was super confused.

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I'm like, this is anti inflammatory.

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: 00:24:23

But what I started to realize

is that we cannot all eat.

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: 00:24:28

We're not all one size fits all, right?

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: 00:24:30

We have different health conditions.

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: 00:24:31

We have different microbiomes.

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: 00:24:33

We have different genetics.

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: 00:24:34

We have different environments, right?

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: 00:24:35

So somebody who lives next to a

steel plant is going to be very

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different than somebody who's

living in the forest, right?

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So, um, I basically created my methodology

called food frame and I'm a big fan

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of this because I finally feel like

the light bulb went off for me and I

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realized that everybody should be eating

according to their current health status.

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So that means if you have autoimmunity,

you should absolutely be eating an

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autoimmune protocol, which is a 30 to 90

day diet program, like eating lifestyle.

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: 00:25:05

And after 90 days, I'm going to make

some recommendations because you're

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still going to have antibodies perhaps.

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So I'm going to recommend two

different maintenance programs that

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: 00:25:13

you can live on, sustain yourself on.

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But the AIP is going to really, it's

getting the fire hose and getting,

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: 00:25:19

dampening that fire, that inflammation.

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: 00:25:21

Now, if you're somebody, somebody

came into my office this week.

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: 00:25:24

Or last week, rather, who had, um, who was

pre diabetic, who had insulin resistance.

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at all kinds of liver

congestion, all this stuff.

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: 00:25:33

And I said to her, listen, it may be good.

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: 00:25:36

I looked at her stool test.

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She didn't have any issues

with fat malabsorption.

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: 00:25:39

I can see from her blood

tests that she didn't have any

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sludgy or thick, gooey bile.

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So she didn't have any issues with fat.

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: 00:25:46

And I said, you may be the

right candidate for keto.

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Keto is going to expeditiously

bring down your blood sugars.

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: 00:25:54

It's going to help you lose weight,

which is what you came in for.

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: 00:25:58

And it's going to help

you really heal quickly.

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Now, this is not something I would

recommend forever, but I said, if you

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can do a three month protocol, great.

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And if you can, you know,

that would be great.

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: 00:26:08

And most women know, not, I

should say, not every woman

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does well on keto, but some do.

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And I knew all the information and

I said, you're a perfect candidate.

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I sent her home with either paleo or keto.

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: 00:26:20

I gave her both.

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: 00:26:21

She came into my office this week.

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She lost five and a

half pounds in one week.

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And I had her take her keto

score every morning in her

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urine and she was like moderate.

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She wasn't even high ketones.

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So she did really well.

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So I said to her, let's stick on the

keto program, you know, for, for three

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months, if she can do it for that.

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And then I recommend taking a break.

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Now there's experts who say

you can stay on it forever.

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I'm just not on board with that.

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And I've studied it backwards

and forwards for a long time.

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So I just feel like three

months is a good period of time.

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: 00:26:54

Now, if she chose paleo, she would

have been fine with that too.

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You know, somebody who comes into

my office recently diagnosed with

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cancer, I'm going to recommend keto.

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: 00:27:03

We know that sugar feeds cancer

cells and it proliferates it, right?

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: 00:27:07

So why would we do any

kind of carbs or sugar?

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: 00:27:09

So keto would be the best suited for that.

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If you have SIBO, small intestinal

bacteria, overgrowth, chronic bloating,

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some diarrhea, some constipation

or a alternating of both, or if

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you've been diagnosed with IBS.

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: 00:27:22

I'm going to suggest low

FODMAP program for you, right?

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Because you're eating foods that are

going to eventually kill or starve off

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that bacteria that accidentally imparts

itself in the small bacteria, small

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intestines rather than the large, and

you're going to see your symptoms go away.

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So you're going to heal that

inflammation and intestinal lining.

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It's not that these foods are bad that

you shouldn't be eating, but they're

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not good for your current health status.

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So 90 days of that,

you're pretty good to go.

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And then we go on a maintenance situation.

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So that's what I really feel.

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I truly believe that people should be

eating according to their health status.

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Because if I put somebody on, um, you

know, IBS, who has IBS on a low FODMAP,

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or I'm sorry, IBS on a, on a AIP or

on a keto, they might be wrecked.

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: 00:28:11

Right.

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So it's just, and they may be

able to do it later, but not right

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: 00:28:15

now, not until the situation.

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Evan: I like that.

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Uh, you mentioned fat malabsorption, which

is something that I've recently kind of

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been going down the rabbit hole of in

terms of liver and gallbladder health.

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: 00:28:29

And, um, yeah, it's, it's a deep hole.

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: 00:28:32

So I'm going to like ask you a few

personal questions because, uh, it's

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something I've been really looking into.

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So first off the importance of fiber.

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in a diet.

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: 00:28:40

It's extremely important, correct?

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To not only bind with the bile and

help remove a lot of the toxins

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: 00:28:47

that might be in the bile through,

obviously through your stool.

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: 00:28:50

Uh, so, and as well, we don't eat

enough fiber in our diets typically.

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: 00:28:54

So what's like a good source of fiber

that you would normally turn to?

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Risa: So all plants have fiber.

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And yes, you're right, Evan.

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We absolutely need fiber.

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Fiber is really sort of the garbage

truck that comes through the

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intestines and picks up all the

debris and gets it out of the system.

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: 00:29:10

It also satiates us.

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: 00:29:12

It also balances out our blood sugar.

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It also helps decrease our cholesterol,

which we kind of covered on that.

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: 00:29:18

But fiber is essential

and yes, we do not eat it.

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: 00:29:22

Um, and it does not come

from a cereal, right?

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: 00:29:24

It comes from plants.

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Plants are our best source of fiber.

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: 00:29:28

So how many plants are you

eating in a day, right?

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: 00:29:30

Every plate should be about 60 to 80

percent of your plate should be something

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from that sprouted from the ground.

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: 00:29:36

You know, it could be cooked, it

could be, you know, raw, but it

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has to be sprouted from the ground.

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: 00:29:41

So we don't, we tend to eat

this much protein and this

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much, you know, uh, fiber.

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: 00:29:47

and you know, we bad fats.

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That's typically what we tend to eat.

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So yes, I eat fiber all day long.

627

: 00:29:54

So every morning my shake has my collagen

in it, which is super helpful for leaky

628

: 00:29:58

gut, but it also has either chia seeds or

hemp seeds non negotiable every morning.

629

: 00:30:03

Then I have a heaping heaping handful.

630

: 00:30:06

So it's probably two or three

servings of either spinach or

631

: 00:30:09

kale or whatever greens I've got.

632

: 00:30:11

If I got arugula, I throw that in

there, but it's usually Organic spinach.

633

: 00:30:15

Um, and then I am having fiber for lunch.

634

: 00:30:19

You know, I'm always having some form

of a salad or a stir fry or a soup, but

635

: 00:30:24

99 percent of the chances of time it's

salad because I just like salad and I

636

: 00:30:28

eat a lot of salad and I'm always putting

a protein and a fat in there, right?

637

: 00:30:32

So I'm going to put

some olives or avocado.

638

: 00:30:34

I'm going to put some, um, good fats

like olive oil or, um, not really coconut

639

: 00:30:39

oil, but I'm doing, you know, olive

oil or, uh, avocado oil in my fat, or

640

: 00:30:45

I'm putting the olives or the avocado.

641

: 00:30:48

I usually put avocado in my shake

in the morning, which is more fiber.

642

: 00:30:51

Um, and then for dinner, I'm

absolutely having at least two

643

: 00:30:55

or three servings of fiber.

644

: 00:30:57

So whether it's cauliflower rice or

another salad or some sort of salad,

645

: 00:31:01

soup or stir fry or three servings

of vegetables that I am cooking.

646

: 00:31:06

Um, I'm always fiber, fiber, fiber,

fiber, fiber, super, super important.

647

: 00:31:11

Evan: Yeah.

648

: 00:31:11

At Chia seed have made a comeback for me,

uh, in the last half year, I would say,

649

: 00:31:18

uh, I've been doing a like overnight oats.

650

: 00:31:20

I usually kind of skimp out on the

oats and just go straight for the

651

: 00:31:23

chia and throw a few other, uh, yeah.

652

: 00:31:27

Maybe a little, uh, Um, cacao powder

or something else, you know, uh,

653

: 00:31:31

cinnamon, something of those lines,

but, uh, that's been a big one.

654

: 00:31:34

And then beans as well.

655

: 00:31:35

I've been doing a lot of, they call

them what, uh, dense bean dense salads.

656

: 00:31:40

And those have been awesome.

657

: 00:31:41

A really great way to also

get some fiber in there.

658

: 00:31:43

I don't, are you a fan

of, uh, of beans as well?

659

: 00:31:47

Risa: I don't personally eat them

and I don't recommend them for a lot

660

: 00:31:50

of people who want to lose weight

or anybody who has auto immunity.

661

: 00:31:54

But for somebody like an elite athlete,

it's a great source of polyphenols.

662

: 00:31:58

It's a great source of fiber, as you

said, and it's a great plant protein,

663

: 00:32:02

not too much, but a little bit.

664

: 00:32:04

Absolutely.

665

: 00:32:04

You know, lentils are great.

666

: 00:32:06

I'm a huge fan of lentils.

667

: 00:32:07

So that with a little bit of quinoas,

is it like a perfect, complete

668

: 00:32:11

protein and it's got some fiber in it.

669

: 00:32:12

It's great.

670

: 00:32:13

Evan: Gotcha.

671

: 00:32:14

Okay.

672

: 00:32:14

And is it, uh, it's definitely,

obviously it's not keto.

673

: 00:32:18

I'm very high in carbs.

674

: 00:32:19

Uh, yeah.

675

: 00:32:20

So that, that is the, the

one ding on it for sure.

676

: 00:32:23

But, uh, I also want to ask, and this

might be, I don't know if you have a

677

: 00:32:27

good understanding of this, but where,

where does that, where do the issues come

678

: 00:32:32

usually with the liver and the gallbladder

in terms of bowel production, uh, bowel

679

: 00:32:37

release, like, you know, properly.

680

: 00:32:39

being used when you're consuming fat and

yeah, what is all of that typically like

681

: 00:32:44

what's the origin of causing those issues

682

: 00:32:48

Risa: So the liver literally does

500 things throughout the day and

683

: 00:32:51

the night and one of the things

that it does is busy, right?

684

: 00:32:55

One of the things that it does is

it creates bile And it creates this

685

: 00:32:58

bile and it puts it right into this

tiny little storage sack that hangs

686

: 00:33:01

right directly under the liver very

conveniently called the gallbladder.

687

: 00:33:04

And it sits there until we eat fat.

688

: 00:33:07

And when the fat comes in, whether it

is cheese or a hot fudge sundae or an

689

: 00:33:11

avocado or an egg, we squeeze out that

bile and that bile is sent in through

690

: 00:33:16

the system and help you digest your fat.

691

: 00:33:18

Now, when we have leaky, I'm sorry, when

we have congested or fatty liver, right,

692

: 00:33:23

we've given it maybe non alcoholic.

693

: 00:33:25

They just changed the name on that

because whatever, um, so non alcoholic

694

: 00:33:30

fatty liver is from food, right?

695

: 00:33:32

Eating lots of copious amounts

of sugar and carbohydrates

696

: 00:33:35

can give you fatty liver.

697

: 00:33:37

Alcohol can give you fatty liver.

698

: 00:33:38

Lots of chemicals can

give you fatty liver.

699

: 00:33:41

So when our liver, which I call the key to

the castle, is congested or fatty, you are

700

: 00:33:46

going to work not optimally at all, right?

701

: 00:33:48

You're going to be sluggish.

702

: 00:33:49

All your organs are going

to work very sluggishly.

703

: 00:33:51

So it's super always important

to clean out that liver.

704

: 00:33:53

That's why I'm a big fan of detoxing.

705

: 00:33:55

But when your bile is not working

well, when it's sludgy is what the

706

: 00:34:00

doctor would call it, it's thick,

it's gooey, it's much harder to,

707

: 00:34:05

to extract out of the gallbladder.

708

: 00:34:08

And it doesn't really do a very

effective job breaking down those fats.

709

: 00:34:11

That's where beets are really good

thing that help decoagulate bile.

710

: 00:34:17

Beans, you know, don't throw them out

when you get them at the market, wash

711

: 00:34:20

them off and throw them in your chick.

712

: 00:34:22

Those help decrease your,

or de sludge your bile.

713

: 00:34:27

It kills me when people have, um, you

know, get their gallbladder removed

714

: 00:34:31

or they have gallstones because those

can be so preventable, you know, do a

715

: 00:34:35

gallbladder flush or, um, do a detox and

clean out your liver and gallbladder.

716

: 00:34:41

It's really, really important

to do that all the time.

717

: 00:34:43

You change the oil in your car.

718

: 00:34:45

You got to change, uh, you got

to clean out your gallbladder

719

: 00:34:48

and clean out your liver.

720

: 00:34:49

So, um, you know, foods that are

very, very helpful for liver.

721

: 00:34:54

Um, one of the greatest detoxifying

foods for liver is artichokes.

722

: 00:34:59

Those are really great.

723

: 00:35:00

Um, you know, onions and garlic, those are

really good for liver detoxification as

724

: 00:35:05

well, but any high fiber foods will help.

725

: 00:35:07

Dandelion tea and things like

lion's mane and things like that are

726

: 00:35:13

really helpful to detox your liver.

727

: 00:35:16

So there's plenty of things and stop

drinking and stop eating these foods

728

: 00:35:21

that are high in, um, chemicals that

are going to, you know, I always talk

729

: 00:35:26

about the liver and I say, Imagine that

you live in a gated community, right?

730

: 00:35:30

And when you go to a gated community,

there's always two lanes, right?

731

: 00:35:32

There's the, the resident lane.

732

: 00:35:34

Well, they have a transponder.

733

: 00:35:35

They go right through the gate

and then they go, well, the

734

: 00:35:37

visitors, they have to wait.

735

: 00:35:39

They have to wait for the guard that,

you know, there may be a line when

736

: 00:35:42

the guard comes, going to see your

ID, want to see your license plate,

737

: 00:35:46

your driver's license, all this stuff.

738

: 00:35:48

You have to call the person, you know,

there's lots of, you gotta, there's a lot

739

: 00:35:51

of processing time, just like real food.

740

: 00:35:54

right?

741

: 00:35:54

Real food that we were

actually born to eat.

742

: 00:35:56

Protein, fat and fiber goes

right through the system.

743

: 00:35:58

It knows what to do.

744

: 00:35:59

It's efficient in getting

digested and getting evacuated.

745

: 00:36:02

And chemicals have to wait.

746

: 00:36:04

They have to wait till the liver has time,

and they convert them into an enzyme that

747

: 00:36:09

is easily digestible because otherwise

your body doesn't know what it is.

748

: 00:36:12

It's not from a, it's not crawling on

the ground or spread from the earth.

749

: 00:36:15

So it has to create an ends,

turn it into an enzyme.

750

: 00:36:19

That looks something like was crowd,

uh, was, uh, sprouted from the

751

: 00:36:23

earth or, or crawling on the ground.

752

: 00:36:25

And then it can go through

and get in through the gate

753

: 00:36:28

and get through the system.

754

: 00:36:29

So I think that's a good analogy.

755

: 00:36:31

I give that to people could to

understand because we're eating

756

: 00:36:34

so many foreign foods, right?

757

: 00:36:36

We have too many visitors in the building.

758

: 00:36:39

Evan: Yeah, no, it's an excellent analogy.

759

: 00:36:40

I love that.

760

: 00:36:41

Um, like I said, this is kind of like

a personal, uh, interest of mine that

761

: 00:36:46

I've really been going down the path.

762

: 00:36:48

So this is.

763

: 00:36:49

Like very intriguing to me.

764

: 00:36:51

Um, yeah, as well because I've dealt

with a lot of, uh, digestive health as

765

: 00:36:55

a kid and, um, you know, I've gotten

so much better as I've gotten older.

766

: 00:36:58

But one of the things that is at least

I've never heard brought to the table is

767

: 00:37:04

the importance of liver and gallbladder

in terms of digestion and, uh, you know,

768

: 00:37:09

bile and, and, you know, making sure

your gallbladder is, like you said,

769

: 00:37:12

with, um, having gallstones, like, what

do you think about a gallstone cleanse?

770

: 00:37:17

I mean, I know there's the like

fasting and then you do like a lemon,

771

: 00:37:22

uh, juice and olive oil cleanse.

772

: 00:37:24

I've done that one personally.

773

: 00:37:25

Um, do you recommend that?

774

: 00:37:28

Is that something that you're

kind of like on the border about?

775

: 00:37:31

Risa: I do that one actually almost

every year, maybe every other year.

776

: 00:37:34

Um, Um, it's not fun, but

it's really essential.

777

: 00:37:38

And, um, yeah, I, I cleanse for

about a week and not with no food.

778

: 00:37:43

And I have a Kahlon every day

and you can't even imagine.

779

: 00:37:46

I eat super, super, super clean, but you

just can't imagine what that it's that

780

: 00:37:51

tarry stuff that sticks to the intestinal

linings that we just don't even know.

781

: 00:37:55

And you know, as we age, we just,

we're, you know, we eat every day.

782

: 00:37:58

So it's all this and it,

it prevents our absorption.

783

: 00:38:01

So I'm always trying to maximize our

absorption nutrient of nutrients.

784

: 00:38:05

And so I do that detox and I

do the liver flush as well.

785

: 00:38:08

Now, if, and the gallbladder

flush, but if you have like, No

786

: 00:38:12

gallbladder, which they take out for.

787

: 00:38:14

And so many people come into my

office and I said, Oh, why did

788

: 00:38:16

they take out your gallbladder?

789

: 00:38:17

And they go, I don't know.

790

: 00:38:19

The doctor said I had to,

and it drives me crazy.

791

: 00:38:22

You know, it's like the kids needed to

go to Cabo or something for spring break.

792

: 00:38:25

And that's why they took it out.

793

: 00:38:27

But, um, anyway, I, uh, you know,

those are the people who should

794

: 00:38:31

be having bile salts, right?

795

: 00:38:33

And doctors don't tell them that they

don't tell them anything, but they have

796

: 00:38:37

a hard time digesting fats typically.

797

: 00:38:40

And they need to have bile salts or

foods that are going to help break

798

: 00:38:43

down those, those, uh, that, that

fat, like beets and things like that.

799

: 00:38:48

Evan: Yeah.

800

: 00:38:50

First, who tend to have like, even

they still have the gallbladder, but

801

: 00:38:54

they're having that fat malabsorption

kind of issue would take, uh, bile

802

: 00:38:59

salts be good for that as well?

803

: 00:39:00

Or is it specifically just if you

have your gallbladder removed?

804

: 00:39:03

Risa: If you have your

gallbladder removed, for sure.

805

: 00:39:04

If you have gallstones, I mean, there's

things that you can do to break it down.

806

: 00:39:08

I have supplements that I use for that.

807

: 00:39:11

Evan: Choncopyedra, is

that usually one you'd use?

808

: 00:39:13

Risa: Uh, which one?

809

: 00:39:14

Evan: Uh, Chanka Piedra,

the stone breaker.

810

: 00:39:17

Risa: Yeah, I don't use that particular

one, but I have a line that I use.

811

: 00:39:21

Evan: Um,

812

: 00:39:22

Risa: and uh, we've been able to

do it several times without getting

813

: 00:39:25

the gallbladder removed, so.

814

: 00:39:28

Evan: Yeah, I much would,

much more would prefer that.

815

: 00:39:31

Risa: Right, let's keep

our body parts, shall we?

816

: 00:39:33

Evan: Yeah, I know.

817

: 00:39:33

It's, it's, uh, It's pretty wild because

now that I've gone down that path of

818

: 00:39:37

gallbladder, liver health, I've asked

multiple people about their gallbladder

819

: 00:39:41

and liver and then they're just like,

Oh yeah, well I've had mine removed.

820

: 00:39:44

And you're just like, Whoa,

I, there's so many people that

821

: 00:39:47

have had that procedure done.

822

: 00:39:48

It's really like blew my mind.

823

: 00:39:50

I had no idea.

824

: 00:39:51

It was such a common, uh, Surgery that

people have done, uh, really well.

825

: 00:39:57

Then, and once again, as

well, it's there for a reason.

826

: 00:40:00

It's a, it's a storage for

the bile so that it can be

827

: 00:40:03

released at the proper time.

828

: 00:40:05

I would, uh, I would imagine that the

liver is constantly producing this bile

829

: 00:40:09

and with nowhere to store it, it must just

be slowly dripping into the intestines.

830

: 00:40:13

Am I right?

831

: 00:40:14

Risa: That's exactly what happens.

832

: 00:40:15

So it's number one, it

slows down the production.

833

: 00:40:19

because there's no place to put it.

834

: 00:40:20

And number two is it gets thick and sticky

and it's just, it goes into the intestines

835

: 00:40:26

and it's just, it needs to be broken down

so you can have effective fat absorption.

836

: 00:40:31

Evan: Yeah.

837

: 00:40:31

So in terms of, you mentioned artichoke,

I've heard apples, I've heard carrots,

838

: 00:40:36

beets that you mentioned as well.

839

: 00:40:38

Um, those are all great for the

liver and the gallbladder as well.

840

: 00:40:42

Typically what's good for the liver is

also good for the gallbladder, correct?

841

: 00:40:47

And then in terms of supplements, what

would be your, your top, uh, supplements

842

: 00:40:51

for liver and gallbladder health?

843

: 00:40:52

I know we mentioned glutathione,

but do you have any others?

844

: 00:40:55

Risa: Yeah.

845

: 00:40:55

I mean, I have specific

liver ones that I use.

846

: 00:40:58

Um, you won't probably know them by

name because they're a blend of things.

847

: 00:41:03

But as I talked about lion's mane and

milk thistle, those are really good.

848

: 00:41:07

I like jicama a lot too.

849

: 00:41:09

It's a really high fiber food.

850

: 00:41:11

Um, so any high fiber is typically

really good for the liver.

851

: 00:41:15

Evan: Okay.

852

: 00:41:16

That's interesting.

853

: 00:41:17

I've never heard anyone mention

lion's mane for liver health.

854

: 00:41:20

I've always heard it for cognitive

performance and benefits, but I've never

855

: 00:41:24

heard it specifically for the liver.

856

: 00:41:27

Risa: And dandelion root.

857

: 00:41:28

Evan: And dandelion root.

858

: 00:41:29

Yeah, dandelion root and milk thistle.

859

: 00:41:31

I'd heard of those two.

860

: 00:41:33

But never the lion's mane.

861

: 00:41:33

That's awesome.

862

: 00:41:34

My lion's mane is actually my

favorite functional mushroom.

863

: 00:41:36

So it's already in the, in

the, in the whole lineup there.

864

: 00:41:40

Um, yeah.

865

: 00:41:42

So thank you for entertaining

my liver and gallbladder

866

: 00:41:46

obsession at the current moment.

867

: 00:41:49

As well, I wanted to ask you

a little bit about your book.

868

: 00:41:51

Um, I haven't heard too much

about it yet, so I kind of want

869

: 00:41:54

to hear a little more from you.

870

: 00:41:56

Um, I, I'm not, what, actually, when

did you come out with this book?

871

: 00:41:59

It's called food frame, correct?

872

: 00:42:01

Risa: Right.

873

: 00:42:02

And that's my methodology.

874

: 00:42:03

It came out in January of 23.

875

: 00:42:06

Um, and it's endorsed by Dr.

876

: 00:42:07

Steven Gundry and Zan Summers and Dr.

877

: 00:42:11

Josh Axe and JJ Virgin.

878

: 00:42:13

Um, But really what I kind of give you the

whole deal on, um, food and how I develop

879

: 00:42:18

food for him and why it's important.

880

: 00:42:20

And I highlight six different

diet types that I typically go to.

881

: 00:42:24

Those are my go to.

882

: 00:42:25

Very rarely do I go out of that for

somebody, but I may if, if I need

883

: 00:42:30

to, but those are the six typically,

uh, typical ones that I, uh, eating

884

: 00:42:34

lifestyles that I recommend for people.

885

: 00:42:36

And then I talk about.

886

: 00:42:37

who's best suited, who is best not

suited for this, um, how long, what to

887

: 00:42:42

eat, what to avoid, and what to do next.

888

: 00:42:45

Um, and then there's some really

easy recipes in there as well,

889

: 00:42:48

as far as, you know, what to

cook for those particular ones.

890

: 00:42:51

I don't like to spend too

much time in the kitchen.

891

: 00:42:53

Um, so they're not complicated.

892

: 00:42:56

They're easy and they're delicious.

893

: 00:42:58

So it's a really, um, I, you

know, I talk a lot about labs

894

: 00:43:01

in there and I talk about MTHFR.

895

: 00:43:03

I talk about thyroid, leaky gut, gluten.

896

: 00:43:06

I really put a lot of stuff, um,

in there because I think it's

897

: 00:43:10

really, really important for people

to take charge of their health.

898

: 00:43:13

Evan: Yeah, no, I'm a hundred

percent on the same page.

899

: 00:43:15

Um, the best place to get it, Amazon,

or do you have a specific Yeah, it's on

900

: 00:43:20

Risa: Amazon, it's on Target, it's

also on my website at risagrewnutrition

901

: 00:43:24

on there, and my website is

the food frame quiz as well.

902

: 00:43:28

If somebody wants to take

that, it's 12 questions, find

903

: 00:43:31

out what your food frame is.

904

: 00:43:33

Um, I have, um, a course called

Achieving Optimal Thyroid Health.

905

: 00:43:37

That I put all my information

in there, whether you have hypo,

906

: 00:43:40

hyper, autoimmune, or thyroidectomy.

907

: 00:43:43

What to take, what not to take,

what foods to eat, what not to

908

: 00:43:46

eat, and most importantly, what

labs to order, how to read them,

909

: 00:43:51

what is optimal, what is typical.

910

: 00:43:53

So, um, I really, I'm

very proud of that course.

911

: 00:43:56

I put everything I know

into it to help others.

912

: 00:44:00

go through thyroid issues and to

prevent them from going through all

913

: 00:44:04

the time, the money, the aggravation,

the tears that I went through.

914

: 00:44:08

And then I've got tons of

recipes on that website.

915

: 00:44:11

Um, testimonials, lots of

information and all my products.

916

: 00:44:14

So my RGN detox.

917

: 00:44:16

Um, is on there as well, which I'm

happy to offer your listeners 10

918

: 00:44:20

percent off, um, with the code of,

um, elemental Evan 10, number 10.

919

: 00:44:26

Um, and, uh, it's all, all my

products are gluten free, dairy

920

: 00:44:30

free, soy free, crap free.

921

: 00:44:31

I'm just very picky about

what goes into my body.

922

: 00:44:35

My kid's body and, um, all

my people that I work with.

923

: 00:44:38

So it's all super clean.

924

: 00:44:40

Evan: That's awesome.

925

: 00:44:40

No, and thank you for that as well.

926

: 00:44:41

That's of course going to be linked all

in the description in the show notes.

927

: 00:44:45

Um, so people can find that.

928

: 00:44:46

And I really appreciate you

breaking down how to read a test.

929

: 00:44:50

That is something that, you know,

you always hear about the test you

930

: 00:44:54

should take and it's like, awesome.

931

: 00:44:55

And then you get it and you're

like, oh, okay, I need to

932

: 00:44:58

do a little bit of research.

933

: 00:44:59

So that's a super, super

handy tool to have on hand.

934

: 00:45:02

Um, And thank you very much for

providing the discount as well.

935

: 00:45:06

Uh, the elemental oven 10

before we end this, I do want

936

: 00:45:11

to ask you one more question.

937

: 00:45:12

And that is for, because I like to

give people some tools that they

938

: 00:45:16

can have in their back pocket.

939

: 00:45:17

So for someone who is looking

to start living their health,

940

: 00:45:21

their life in a healthier manner.

941

: 00:45:23

Where would you start them off at?

942

: 00:45:25

This is, you know, literally, and let's,

as we'll put it, that if they aren't

943

: 00:45:29

in Newport, they can't get to you.

944

: 00:45:31

Um, just like a great place for them to

start and to start working from there.

945

: 00:45:35

Risa: Just take out the chemicals,

you know, look at what's in your

946

: 00:45:38

deodorant and your candles and your

plugins and your shampoos and your

947

: 00:45:44

cleaning supplies and your food.

948

: 00:45:46

You know, what, what

chemicals are you having?

949

: 00:45:48

Are you having more from the

factory or more from the farm?

950

: 00:45:52

Are you eating more for

sport or more for survival?

951

: 00:45:54

Do you have more visitors or

do you have more residents?

952

: 00:45:56

Right?

953

: 00:45:57

So, um, if you want to improve

your health, you've got

954

: 00:46:00

to take out the residents.

955

: 00:46:01

They're not, you know, they're occasional,

but we, I'm sorry, the visitors, right?

956

: 00:46:05

They're, they're occasional.

957

: 00:46:06

They don't live there and they shouldn't.

958

: 00:46:08

So eat real food, eat protein, fat and

fiber, things that are crawling on the

959

: 00:46:13

ground and spreading from the earth.

960

: 00:46:14

And then you'll see your, your,

your health will optimize.

961

: 00:46:17

Evan: I love that.

962

: 00:46:20

It's a, I always get a

different answer from people.

963

: 00:46:23

You know, it's either like, like

yours, like take out the bad

964

: 00:46:26

or start adding in the good.

965

: 00:46:27

I mean, both kind of like just

two sides of the coin, I guess.

966

: 00:46:30

But, uh, that's, that's excellent.

967

: 00:46:32

Thank you so much, Risa for that and

for your time and coming on the show.

968

: 00:46:36

Um, is there anything else you

want to share with our listeners?

969

: 00:46:39

I love to just kind of keep this

section of the podcast for you.

970

: 00:46:43

If you want to share

anything in particular.

971

: 00:46:45

Um, but truly, thank you so much.

972

: 00:46:47

And I really do appreciate you.

973

: 00:46:48

Risa: Yeah, nothing

really, um, much to say.

974

: 00:46:50

I work with people all over the

country, so I'm happy to work with,

975

: 00:46:53

we're still taking new patients.

976

: 00:46:55

So happy to work with anybody and help

them achieve their optimal health.

977

: 00:47:00

Um, and yeah, you can find us at

Risa Gru Nutrition and, uh, all

978

: 00:47:04

social media is Risa Gru Nutrition.

979

: 00:47:06

Evan: Okay.

980

: 00:47:06

Awesome.

981

: 00:47:07

And, uh, once again, we're going to have

all of these links in the show notes.

982

: 00:47:10

So if anyone does want to connect,

Reach out, find more out about

983

: 00:47:14

Risa, then we'll have it there.

984

: 00:47:15

But, uh, Risa, thank you so much.

985

: 00:47:17

And, uh, you're in Newport.

986

: 00:47:19

You're not far from me.

987

: 00:47:20

So I'll have to, uh, if I'm ever

out that way, we'll, we'll connect.

988

: 00:47:23

And, and, uh, yeah,

we'll meet up in person.

989

: 00:47:26

Risa: Awesome.

990

: 00:47:26

I'd love to.

991

: 00:47:27

Thank you for having me, Evan.

992

: 00:47:28

Evan: Oh, absolutely.

993

: 00:47:29

It's a, the pleasure's all mine.

994

: 00:47:30

Like I said, this is my

opportunity to learn.

995

: 00:47:32

So thank you very much, Risa.

996

: 00:47:33

I appreciate it.

997

: 00:47:35

Risa: You're welcome.