Dramatically Improve Your Health with Fasting | Featuring Brian Gryn
Dramatically Improve Your Health with Fasting | Featuring Brian Gryn
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On this week's Wellness Wednesday episode, Evan's joined by the host of the Get Lean Eat Clean Podcast Brian Gryn. Brian is not only the host of his awesome podcast but, he's also a wellness coach, author, and movement specialist. After noticing the amazing results produced through fasting in one of his clients, Brian began his own fasting journey. To his surprise he not only gained health benefits, but mental benefits as well.
Brian's and Evan found tons of common ground when it came to fasting, and more specifically in what's considered truly healthy for each individual. Brian and Evan dive deep into how to fast, why you should fast, and what kind of fast you should be doing. Finding an approach to health that's not dogmatic was at the core of today's episode and is extremely important when it comes to individual health needs.
You don't want to miss the amazing information in todays episode and the chance to hear fasting advice from two long time practitioners. Catch this episode on Youtube, subscribe, follow, and leave a review if you've found any benefit from today's episode.
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Transcript
what's going on everybody?
Speaker:Welcome back to the Elemental Evan Show.
Speaker:Thank you all for joining me again on a Wellness Wednesday episode.
Speaker:Today I am joined by a very special guest.
Speaker:This is Brian Gryn he is a intermittent fasting expert, which
Speaker:I'm super excited to dig in on.
Speaker:He's a wellness coach, an author, movement specialist, and host of Get Lean.
Speaker:Eat Clean podcast and uh, just honestly an all round awesome guy in just the
Speaker:short time that I've had to talk with him.
Speaker:So really excited to have him on.
Speaker:Uh, welcome to the show, Brian.
Speaker:Thanks so much for having me on Evan.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Um, first off, I always like to do a rapid fire questionnaire with, uh,
Speaker:any guests that I have on to allow the listeners to get a better feel for you.
Speaker:So to start that off, uh, where were you born?
Speaker:I was born outside Chicago.
Speaker:Yeah, just, just outside Chicago, Illinois.
Speaker:So.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:And then, yeah, keep it short.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And based, based out of just outside of Chicago as well.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Deerfield.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:. Very cool.
Speaker:Um, and then what is a favorite quote of yours?
Speaker:Yeah, so if you don't have your health, what do you have?
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I mean, like, like we were saying, that's, that's the best quote you can
Speaker:have for this kind of a podcast, you know?
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:But it is, it's absolutely true.
Speaker:I mean, if you don't, if you don't have your health, nothing else is
Speaker:really gonna matter at that point.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And then, uh, favorite book.
Speaker:Uh, I'm a non-fiction guy.
Speaker:I mean, I always recommend this book, The Slight Edge by Jeff Olson.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:I, uh, I've, I've actually got that written down, so
Speaker:I'll be looking into that one.
Speaker:Okay, good.
Speaker:Um, and yeah, so that's pretty much just, uh, do it for the,
Speaker:uh, the quick questionnaire.
Speaker:Um, but now to really get into the good stuff, uh, what got you into,
Speaker:I guess we could start off with intermittent fasting as kind of like
Speaker:a health protocol, but also just what got you into health and wellness, Al.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, God, I think it's been something I've been interested in since like college, uh,
Speaker:just started lifting weights in college and, and actually into high school.
Speaker:And I just, it was something that, something that Drew drew me to it.
Speaker:I mean, I tried doing the corporate America route outta school.
Speaker:It wasn't for me.
Speaker:So like yourself, I went to ien.
Speaker:I went to a few other organizations and just got some certifications and
Speaker:I had some friends in the business and just started training individual.
Speaker:You know, pretty much in a studio.
Speaker:And, um, and that sort of just drew my interest to building muscle.
Speaker:And then I realized that, you know, opt optimal health is
Speaker:more than just building muscle.
Speaker:It, it's one piece of the puzzle.
Speaker:So I got into, you know, what to eat, when to eat, and, uh, you know,
Speaker:fasting obviously is something, it's a protocol, like you said, it's a tool.
Speaker:Um, but it was something that was introduced to me by actually a client
Speaker:of mine who, you know, was prediabetic and had, you know, Blood sugar
Speaker:issues and needed a way to like, sort of, she probably pretty much tried
Speaker:everything and, and fasting was one of those things that, you know, I think
Speaker:she started reading into like Dr.
Speaker:Jason Fun and a lot of his work.
Speaker:And, and so I just went down that rabbit hole and started learning about
Speaker:as a, as a tool for myself and then also for my clients to use as well.
Speaker:So, um, yeah, it just ever since been been, you know, been churning
Speaker:out content about health and wellness and trying to help people.
Speaker:That's amazing.
Speaker:Um, yeah, I, I really.
Speaker:I enjoy when, you know, you said you were, uh, coaching people and
Speaker:then also like working on yourself.
Speaker:And I think that's one of the best ways to also get intrigued by health and wellness,
Speaker:because you can see like, okay, as I, as I tweak this, or I do that, you know, I
Speaker:start to see this change, you know, or I'm putting on more muscle or I'm leaning
Speaker:down, you know, And, and it's really cool.
Speaker:Like, I like to think of it as.
Speaker:We're kind of our own experiment, you know, and you can try out these
Speaker:new things and um, while not eating anything for, you know, 16 to 24
Speaker:hours might sound kind of crazy.
Speaker:Um, there's a lot of benefit obviously in it.
Speaker:And, uh, what kind of, like have you seen some, uh, specific benefits from
Speaker:fasting, uh, for yourself personally?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting you bring up self experimentation
Speaker:cuz it is something I talk a lot about because I just feel like
Speaker:now in the health field there.
Speaker:You can find what you wanna find and you could, you could look
Speaker:and say, Hey, you know what?
Speaker:I wanna be a fruitarian.
Speaker:You could find the best resources and all the great information people
Speaker:that are getting benefits from that.
Speaker:And then if you wanna become a carnivore, you could probably go that same route.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:So it's like you can find something that that is gonna be biased
Speaker:towards what you're looking to do.
Speaker:So I think it does come down to self experimentation,
Speaker:finding out what works for you.
Speaker:Um, So I just, I'm glad you bring that up cuz I always
Speaker:talk about that on my podcast.
Speaker:Um, but yeah, I mean fasting, you know, I think the biggest thing that fasting
Speaker:brought me was just an appreciation for the food that I'm eating.
Speaker:Um, you know, I think when you abstain from something, You, you,
Speaker:you then draw a great appreciation for it when you can have it.
Speaker:Cause I just think nowadays there's food on every corner.
Speaker:Um, you can get it, you know, obviously now, especially with like Covid, anything
Speaker:you want delivered, like literally Amazon will come probably in like 10 minutes.
Speaker:and I order it last night, you know, So it's like, I think that's
Speaker:the biggest thing it does for you.
Speaker:You know, people will say, Oh, fasting's great, only because it, you
Speaker:know, you're restricting calories.
Speaker:Well, you know, that can be true to some degree, but you.
Speaker:What if you're eating the same amount of calories, you know, in that window?
Speaker:So I think, you know, the, the biggest things like I got right off the bat
Speaker:with fasting was the flexibility, the, the, the, like I would just say the
Speaker:way how, how simple, how simple it is.
Speaker:Like, I think dieting could be confusing.
Speaker:Oh, should I go this route?
Speaker:Should I eat keto?
Speaker:Should I eat high carb?
Speaker:Well, you know, eating and not eating is just a simplification of of it.
Speaker:And I think that that can go a long way and you can save
Speaker:time and obviously save money.
Speaker:So, uh, there, there are benefits from that.
Speaker:But you know, for me, I started, the main thing for me was the mental acuity.
Speaker:I.
Speaker:I like to do a lot of my work endeavors in the morning and I
Speaker:just felt like I was sharper in the mornings without having anything.
Speaker:And um, so, you know, we can go through all the benefits and then some
Speaker:people are, and a lot of these are on animal, you know, models, but I
Speaker:think if someone's never done fasting, maybe just experiment and, and skip a
Speaker:meal and just see how you're feeling or, or even just back up breakfast a
Speaker:little bit or however you wanna do it.
Speaker:But, um, everyone sort of has their own unique story when it comes to.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And really quickly, you mentioned your podcast.
Speaker:Uh, for all the listeners, if you haven't already listened
Speaker:to his podcast, please do so.
Speaker:I'm gonna link it in the show notes, but, um, some incredible information on there.
Speaker:And yes, in terms of, Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker:Brian, you put out some amazing stuff, so, uh, happy to have you on
Speaker:the show, but, uh, yeah, shameless plug, right , but honestly, and, uh,
Speaker:as far as the fasting goes, yeah, I.
Speaker:While even I, I find myself getting caught up in the health benefits of
Speaker:fasting, and that is one of the main reasons I even got into fasting.
Speaker:Uh, yeah, the, just the sheer sense of going without, you know, and finding
Speaker:that appreciation for food, you know, and it's like so many religions have fasting.
Speaker:You know, intertwined in their practices.
Speaker:And it is, it's, it's, uh, for, for example, I did a, uh, three day fast.
Speaker:It was a, a liver cleanse and uh, actually you were allowed to drink
Speaker:apple juice because it was supposed to help, like break down stuff
Speaker:in the liver, in the gallbladder.
Speaker:However, I went all three days without drinking any apple juice.
Speaker:And on the last day where you can have the raw unfiltered apple juice,
Speaker:I went ahead and had some sips of apple juice and it was, The wildest
Speaker:experience with food I've ever had.
Speaker:You know, like when that apple juice hit my taste buds, it was like I tasted better
Speaker:than I've ever tasted any other food.
Speaker:It like literally lit up all this stuff in my brain, like eyes widened.
Speaker:It was, it was super wild.
Speaker:And also when you're talking about the, um, the mental benefit,
Speaker:I remember on, on day two.
Speaker:I had like a little bit of a headache and stuff, so I was, you know, taking
Speaker:some, uh, some salt, some high quality sea salt to get a lot of the minerals.
Speaker:Um, but by day three it was wild.
Speaker:It was like I was so tuned in, uh, every, it was.
Speaker:Literally I could be walking and then I would have, it almost felt like
Speaker:a wider than a 180 degree vision.
Speaker:Like it was almost like even more than that.
Speaker:And then, uh, if I wanted to, I could like look at a tree or an ant and
Speaker:it would like focus hyperfocus in.
Speaker:It was so incredible.
Speaker:And, and I did a few meditations and stuff and it was like, Zero
Speaker:trouble quieting the thoughts.
Speaker:It was, it was incredible.
Speaker:Um, yeah, so there's so much to do with, with fasting and honestly, just like if
Speaker:you don't know what's, what's bad for you.
Speaker:I mean, if you're fasting, you're just not putting anything bad in you.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:right now, and that's a good point.
Speaker:I think a lot of people might.
Speaker:Not might, but we'll get gut relief from it.
Speaker:If, you know, if you think about all the food we're digesting day in, day
Speaker:out, such an energy drain, um, on the digestive system and you know, if you
Speaker:are sensitive to something, it is sort of a good thing to do just to, just
Speaker:to sort of give your gut some relief.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And actually, uh, that's a point I didn't even hit was after that cleanse.
Speaker:Uh, obviously I was, I was detoxing the liver and stuff.
Speaker:Um, I ended up having to drink, uh, olive oil and lemon juice to finish it.
Speaker:But, um, that's a whole other story.
Speaker:But for about a month after that fast, I had some of the best
Speaker:digestion I've ever had in my life, especially coming from a person
Speaker:who's dealt with a lot of gut issues.
Speaker:Mm, yeah, it was.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and, and like you said, everyone's on their own little
Speaker:journey when it comes to that.
Speaker:Um, you know, I think it's a tool to have, You can overdo it.
Speaker:It's a stressor, Right?
Speaker:Is a stressor, but it's, I think it's something that's, that everyone should
Speaker:just experiment from time to time.
Speaker:Because like, for example, we talked about religion.
Speaker:So like yesterday was, well, I know, I know when this is coming out, but
Speaker:I fasted for a day yesterday and I haven't done a day fast in a while.
Speaker:Uh, for the Jewish religion.
Speaker:And I was like, Oh, I wonder how I'm gonna be.
Speaker:And it was like seamless.
Speaker:And I think for a lot of people it's not that way.
Speaker:And I think there's like, there's freedom and this like, um, I can't even, you
Speaker:know, just like this, um, flexibility of knowing that you, you don't necessarily
Speaker:need to eat if you don't like, if, if you don't cuz of time or cuz of
Speaker:anything else you, So I think there's just this freedom that it gives you as.
Speaker:Yeah, not having to, you know, for example, like time your workouts around,
Speaker:like when you're eating or, Oh, I need to stop eating, so, you know, at a certain
Speaker:time for bed or whatever it, it, it, yeah.
Speaker:Takes some mental, um, gives you more mental energy back.
Speaker:You know, you're not, you're not thinking about more stuff.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Um, right.
Speaker:But so, and then also in terms of, You know, you were saying like,
Speaker:it gives you appreciation for food and, um, it's more of like the, the
Speaker:mental capacity that you, you enjoy.
Speaker:Uh, does that also play a role in, for example, how you, um, really talk
Speaker:about like hormetic stressors as well, like, like ice therapy or hot therapy?
Speaker:Uh, does that also play a role?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean those are all obviously stressors and, um, I think.
Speaker:It's good to just pick maybe one and do it every so often.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:There there's, um, There's something to be said about being uncomfortable
Speaker:for a little bit and, and how you can just sort of build up, um, you
Speaker:know, build up that mental strength to overcome something like that.
Speaker:Like, I do cold plunging, but I do it intuitively.
Speaker:I'm not like plunging all the time.
Speaker:Like yesterday, obviously I fasted all day.
Speaker:I, it wasn't a day that I was gonna.
Speaker:Do cold plunge.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Um, I, I'll pick and choose when I'm gonna do it, but, um, I think these
Speaker:are all great things just to build resilience and, uh, just a way to
Speaker:sort of, um, make the body stronger.
Speaker:Um, again, these are tools that they, they're, they're stressors, so
Speaker:you wanna do 'em in acute periods.
Speaker:You don't wanna chronically do them . Um, but yeah, I, I'm, I'm a big fan.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I love, I love the pl.
Speaker:Yeah, I, I do as well.
Speaker:And I'm glad that you, you mentioned, you know, not, not stacking all of
Speaker:them together because, um, I was just hearing recently, um, I can't remember
Speaker:who it was exactly that said it.
Speaker:Um, it might have been Andrew Huberman, but he was talking about
Speaker:stacking too much, um, of like mm-hmm.
Speaker:things that release a lot of dopamine and how that can actually be bad for
Speaker:you in the long term effect because it can like deplete your dopamine, you
Speaker:know, and, and then you can have this like kind of come down effect from it.
Speaker:And so he was saying like, to be a little bit like, if you're gonna do something
Speaker:that spikes, I mean, just kind of choose that one thing, you know, and, and just,
Speaker:just go with that for that time, you know, so you're not overstimulating yourself.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, I think a little bit here and there, um, is, is is a little, goes
Speaker:a long way, let's just say that.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Um, and then also in terms of, you know, uh, intermittent fasting, I mean,
Speaker:I, I've talked about it before, but what would you say is the best way for
Speaker:someone who has never started it before?
Speaker:Uh, for them to get into intermittent fasting and, and give it a go,
Speaker:Especially if they're just completely not metabolically flexible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, there's a few ways.
Speaker:I mean, I think it's important to maybe before you even get into fasting, is
Speaker:to start cleaning up your diet maybe a little bit, um, just because I
Speaker:think that'll make the fasting easier.
Speaker:And if you start to eat just like whole single ingredient foods, um,
Speaker:And, you know, a lot of quality proteins, healthy fats, and you
Speaker:know, whole, whole food carbs and things like that, if you'd like that.
Speaker:That's, I think, a good place to start.
Speaker:And then, and then from there you can transition into maybe pushing back a meal.
Speaker:Um, you know, I always say breakfast, but again, some people love breakfast and they
Speaker:want, it doesn't have to be breakfast.
Speaker:There's actually some studies showing that early time restrictive feeding is
Speaker:more effective because, you know, you don't want to eat too late in the day,
Speaker:close to bedtime, so whatever it is.
Speaker:But if you.
Speaker:Let's say you do wanna skip breakfast, pushing it back, sort of, um, an
Speaker:hour every, you know, few days until you, That's how I did it.
Speaker:But again, there's no perfect time to do that.
Speaker:But yeah, so I think those are the two best ways if you're looking to
Speaker:start, is clean up your eating and then gradually easier way into fasting.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, definitely.
Speaker:Uh, the cleaning up of the eating makes a huge, has a huge impact.
Speaker:Cuz if, even for myself, if I have a day of really bad eating and then I try to
Speaker:go do like a, you know, a 24 hour fast, like, you get all the cravings and it's
Speaker:just so much harder to have that mental resilience when, you know, constantly your
Speaker:mind is just thinking of like, eating.
Speaker:So, um, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Cleaning up the, the diet is huge.
Speaker:And also yeah, like you said, um, Cleaning up the diet helps with
Speaker:basically not having those cravings.
Speaker:And you know, one of the big things I see is like, I think of.
Speaker:People who shall not be named, I don't wanna throw 'em under the bus, but family
Speaker:members of mine who, uh, you know, they, they don't have that mental resilience
Speaker:yet where they're like, I need to eat.
Speaker:You know, And it's like, you don't have to eat, you know, but
Speaker:you are having crazy cravings.
Speaker:So I understand that, you know, but I think, uh, cleaning up the
Speaker:diet is, is going to help you have that mental resilience to really
Speaker:push through when, when you start getting that late night craving.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And, and also too, if you have a day that maybe you're a little bit busy, uh, those
Speaker:are times where maybe you, you can, can do some fasting, because we all know, we've
Speaker:had days where it's, we're really busy and we, we don't even look at the clock and
Speaker:we're like, Oh, we just skipped a meal.
Speaker:We didn't realize it.
Speaker:So a lot of it's just in the mind.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Also, sorry, uh, kind of jumping back here, but, um, the client that had
Speaker:showed you intermittent fasting, so they were doing it because they were
Speaker:pre-diabetic, did they see a lot of, uh, a lot of benefits in terms of,
Speaker:you know, helping out with their, with, with their issue there, or?
Speaker:Yeah, her blood levels get got back to normal and yeah, to this day, I
Speaker:think she still does it to some degree.
Speaker:Um, she was, she really got into it.
Speaker:She was doing some extended fasts and, and, but she was being
Speaker:guided by a, by a, like, I think a naturopath helping her, you know?
Speaker:Making sure that she did it right.
Speaker:But, um, I actually interviewed her, her name's Rita spk and, uh, yeah,
Speaker:she, she's, um, she's been doing great since then, so That's incredible.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, well, congratulations to her.
Speaker:I mean, that's, that's really awesome.
Speaker:Uh, Yeah.
Speaker:Like we were just saying, you know, it's like when you're not putting bad stuff
Speaker:in the body has time to fix itself, you know, and, and take care of it
Speaker:and rebuild what it needs to rebuild.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No doubt about it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Um, and then one thing, Heard you speak about, and I actually want to really
Speaker:dive in on this, be for myself personally is, uh, working out in a faceted state.
Speaker:So I personally, uh, tend to do workouts in a faceted state, but I
Speaker:haven't heard too much, uh, information on if that's necessarily good or
Speaker:bad or like the benefits of that.
Speaker:Would you mind like, kind of like diving in on that?
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:You know, it's interesting, you'll, you'll talk to different people about.
Speaker:I think it depends on a couple things.
Speaker:I think it depends on the type of exercise you're doing.
Speaker:Um, if it's a intense strength training workout, I'm gonna say there's some
Speaker:benefits to having a little bit of, uh, nutrients in the system.
Speaker:Um, you don't wanna be in a, so, so much of a catabolic state
Speaker:going into an intense workout.
Speaker:Um, and again, this could be a self experimentation thing that you could do.
Speaker:Evan, you know, I've messed around both.
Speaker:I've worked out fasted, I've worked out not, you know, with, with a little
Speaker:bit something in, in the system.
Speaker:Um, so I think it depends on the workout.
Speaker:I think if it's gonna be some low level cardio, you know,
Speaker:walking light, jogging, I think.
Speaker:Is, you know, if anything might enhance some fat burning.
Speaker:Um, and, and, but I think that if you're doing some maybe moderate intense,
Speaker:um, workout and, and there's strength training involved, you might wanna have
Speaker:a little bit of something, um, in the system, even if it's just like a, a
Speaker:protein shake or something like that just to help with, you know, signaling and,
Speaker:and, and getting those amino assets in so you're not, you know, you're sort of
Speaker:taking full advantage of the workout.
Speaker:Mm-hmm.
Speaker:, right?
Speaker:Yeah, I know.
Speaker:Um, so a lot of the times I will.
Speaker:Tried to look at, okay, what were, you know, our ancestors of
Speaker:like way back doing, you know?
Speaker:And you know, you'll get some of those people saying like, Oh well, um, you
Speaker:know, they were probably in a faceted state while they were hunting and it
Speaker:really exerting themselves, you know, And to a degree I'm like, okay, I can
Speaker:understand that with, you know, for example, on day three I had this crazy
Speaker:ability to focus on stuff, you know?
Speaker:And it's probably because it's like, yo, We need to get some food in our system.
Speaker:So let's zone in, you know, all attention is is here on, on gathering
Speaker:or hunting or whatever it may be.
Speaker:But then I also think of it like, That is a res, a physiological
Speaker:response of our body that is like, you know, helping us to survive.
Speaker:It's not necessarily saying it's the best way to maybe put on muscle or
Speaker:to, you know, be at our, you know, highest level or whatever it may be.
Speaker:Um, yeah, like obviously like a body builder would want to be just completely
Speaker:faceted all the time if they're trying to really pack on muscle, right?
Speaker:Yeah, exactly.
Speaker:I think you can learn ancestrally what we, what we've done, but that doesn't
Speaker:necessarily mean that's optimal.
Speaker:Right, right.
Speaker:We, we have so much more a access to information to how certain, you
Speaker:know, substrates affect our body and, and, and how we can get the
Speaker:most out of having energy, you know, having optimized hormones.
Speaker:But just because they did it Aly doesn't mean it necessarily was optimal.
Speaker:Yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker:And I also think that, you know, uh, going back to the whole diet, what
Speaker:diet's best, you know, it's also comes down to, well, what do you want?
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Like, are you trying to build muscle and get huge?
Speaker:Then you know, a higher protein diet is probably gonna be something
Speaker:you're gonna want to do, or are you more in it for a religious purpose?
Speaker:Okay, well then if you don't want to kill animals and eat them, then, you
Speaker:know, obviously a vegetarian or vegan diet or whatever might suit you better.
Speaker:And, and we can, you know, Customize it to really fit you and, and help
Speaker:you perform your best at that level.
Speaker:Right?
Speaker:Yeah, no, I mean, it does come down to your goals and, and you know, I'll,
Speaker:I've had people on the podcast who are pure carnivores and they're thriving.
Speaker:Um, And I just had recently, it's not published yet, but look
Speaker:out for it if you listen to it.
Speaker:I have did it sort of a, a friendly debate between, uh, a keto guy and a, a higher
Speaker:carb bioenergetics guy, Jay Feldman.
Speaker:And, um, and then, uh, Dr.
Speaker:Dia Augustino, who's pretty well known in the keto space.
Speaker:And I'm actually just.
Speaker:Getting it ready to go out.
Speaker:Uh, should be going out tomorrow, so Awesome.
Speaker:By the time this comes out, it, it'll be already be out,
Speaker:but we're gonna do a part two.
Speaker:We got, it was, the first part was like an hour and a half.
Speaker:Uh, he had a cut out, Don.
Speaker:But, um, so yeah, so it's like you, you hear perspectives and you hear
Speaker:studies on both ends and it's like, okay, well one day you could think
Speaker:one thing, , and I think it comes really back to what you said it.
Speaker:You know, there's, there's carnivores now who are adding in fruit and honey.
Speaker:You know, they're, they're realizing that in order to maximize energy
Speaker:from the body, they believe that they do need to have some carbs.
Speaker:But, you know, there's people who don't go that route and they just go
Speaker:pure carnivore and it works for them.
Speaker:So, Gotta find it.
Speaker:Gotta find it.
Speaker:But it does just take patience, I think.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:I think that's the one thing that holds people back in anything when it comes
Speaker:to eating is, is give it some time.
Speaker:See how you feel.
Speaker:Like I'm going through a little bit of that of myself, just
Speaker:figuring out what, what works best.
Speaker:And you're always in that.
Speaker:I feel like I'm always in that mode, but Yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker:And also, um, I've heard that.
Speaker:You know, the body can get, um, accustomed to a certain diet or,
Speaker:or, you know, if you're just eating purely, um, specific foods all the
Speaker:time, your body will get used to that.
Speaker:And, uh, by switching it up a little bit can actually help you out, you know,
Speaker:and, and throw it off of its, uh, you know, off of its track and make it have
Speaker:to, you know, figure things out and get back on track, you know, And, and so
Speaker:kind of having that little switch up and, and even with, uh, fasting, you
Speaker:know, not doing it all the time, like throwing it in there occasionally, you
Speaker:know, or, or however much works for.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, you hear this trend of over dieting, I think that's the name
Speaker:of it, over dieting, where they're, they're actually, you're over consuming.
Speaker:Per se.
Speaker:I mean, who's to say every, we know exactly how many calories
Speaker:you should be getting, right?
Speaker:Like, I think that's sort of just a, a, a pie the sky thing to, to know
Speaker:exactly how much we should be getting.
Speaker:But I do think it's not a bad idea to track and see where you're at.
Speaker:You know, maybe do it for a couple weeks on ARO meter or, or, um,
Speaker:and any other app you wanna use and just see where you're at.
Speaker:You know, you might be, feel like, you know, you're undereating a bit
Speaker:and overdoing it with some of these stressors, and maybe go a few weeks
Speaker:and feel like you're over consuming a little bit and, and just see how that
Speaker:feel, you know, how makes you feel and, and how your, you know, hormones
Speaker:are affected and things like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Comes, comes back to experimentation, you know, and it's, it's one of those
Speaker:things where there's not really going to be just, uh, one answer for all.
Speaker:You know, Unfortunately, we can't just give you a pill that does that.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:You know, it's, it has to come down to, um, trying things out for your
Speaker:body and finding the best route for it.
Speaker:But I think it's, honestly, personally, I find it kind of fun, you know, like seeing
Speaker:what works, you know, and, and seeing that change in your body and, and just
Speaker:seeing how amazing like our biology is.
Speaker:And yeah, it's just absolutely wild.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I mean it, like you said, the body can adjust to what you do with it
Speaker:and you know, so it's like, yeah, whatever route you go, it'll adjust.
Speaker:I think it comes down to, you know, maybe measuring and seeing, maybe taking
Speaker:a DEXA scan and doing some blood work because you know your, like you said,
Speaker:your body can just, You can go carnivore and feel great for a while, but what
Speaker:if your blood numbers come back and you have, you know, low thyroid or who knows?
Speaker:I mean, I know that's not for every, you know, for everybody and some
Speaker:people thrive on it, but you might not.
Speaker:Who knows?
Speaker:You know, you gotta sort of test and see where you're at.
Speaker:Yeah, no, a hundred percent.
Speaker:And it's also, um, you know, I talk about the Blue Zones a lot
Speaker:and, uh, their, their diet, you know, it's primarily plant based.
Speaker:Obviously they have a lot of fish in there and, and different things like that.
Speaker:But it's also, you know, they're.
Speaker:Bodybuilders.
Speaker:They're not elite athletes.
Speaker:They're, they're longevity, you know, they're living to a hundred plus, you
Speaker:know, And so it's kind of just once again, like, what do you wanna do
Speaker:with your, with your diet, You know?
Speaker:And then also on top of that, like who are you communicating with?
Speaker:What's your community like?
Speaker:Um, who are you spending your time with?
Speaker:Um, you know, how, what's your mental health, your emotional health, your
Speaker:spiritual health, Like yeah, all the good stuff starts then playing the role.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, yeah, it, it all plays a role.
Speaker:I think number one is like sleep, you know, you, we, it always comes
Speaker:back to that and, and making sure that you're getting quality sleep.
Speaker:And I think that's something that, that should be like first on everyone's mind.
Speaker:Thank you so much for saying that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Sleep is, I, I mean it's definitely getting a lot of, um, you know, a
Speaker:lot of attention, at least in this realm, but it's still something
Speaker:that I think so many people do not understand the pure importance
Speaker:of that, you know, and just how.
Speaker:Uh, of your health is related to your sleep and the recovery, like
Speaker:all the, all the wear and tear that you're putting your body through.
Speaker:Like, you know, if you don't have the time to take care of that, like it's just
Speaker:gonna build up and get worse and worse.
Speaker:So, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:Thank you for saying that.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, I think it just has to be a priority.
Speaker:It's like anything you prioritize, you're gonna, you're gonna put your
Speaker:energy and effort into, I mean, uh, so prioritizing sleep, and that means just
Speaker:having a, you know, a, a sound morning routine, a sound evening routine, and
Speaker:really honing in on that before you talk about any of this other stuff.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Uh, absolutely.
Speaker:Um, now one thing I I did wanna also talk about was the hormonal aspect of, uh, of,
Speaker:of doing fasting in terms of the benefits of it, but also maybe the difference
Speaker:between, uh, you know, a female and a male who are fasting and what the differences
Speaker:would be there for both of them.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, hormonally, uh, obviously I think a lot of
Speaker:people look into fasting to.
Speaker:Decrease insulin levels, right?
Speaker:Um, you know, high fasting insulin is obviously not a good marker to
Speaker:have, and it's, you know, fasting's the most efficient and consistent
Speaker:strategy to, to decrease insulin.
Speaker:Um, it's been shown to increase growth hormone, increase neuro
Speaker:adrenaline, and, um, you know, these counterregulatory hormones.
Speaker:Can, can obviously like yourself.
Speaker:That's, that's what was probably going on a lot with you was, you
Speaker:know, obviously our body's not gonna shut down when we're in a facet
Speaker:state because we need to find food.
Speaker:It's a survival and I think it also can increase cortisol a bit.
Speaker:It's been shown, so that's why I think you can overdo fasting.
Speaker:Um, and because it does, it can take a toll on some of these hormones.
Speaker:Um, and it could be overdone.
Speaker:So, um, I think that's first and foremost, but, um, individuals who start probably
Speaker:say, You know what, I wanna, I want a way to get my insulin levels down so
Speaker:I'm not like, in like fat necessarily, like fat storage mode all the time.
Speaker:Um, and I think if anything, a lot of people have the
Speaker:issue of eating all the time.
Speaker:So I think cutting out a little bit can go a long way.
Speaker:Um, so those are the main hormones.
Speaker:I mean, as far as men and women, I think that, you know, it's one of those
Speaker:things where, There's some women who have, who can thrive with fasting.
Speaker:There's some that don't need to do it as much.
Speaker:Um, you know, and so I think, I'm not like an expert with women, but I will say that.
Speaker:Hormonally, you just have to keep an eye on it because it
Speaker:can take a toll on thyroid.
Speaker:Um, you know, last thing you wanna do is get into some hypothyroidism.
Speaker:Um, I know that can, that's been a sort of a, a, an effect of overdoing fasting and
Speaker:undereating calorie restriction, which I think can happen probably more in the, in
Speaker:the, in with women than it can with men.
Speaker:So if you are gonna do some type of fasting, make sure that
Speaker:you are consuming tic adequate calories within that eating window.
Speaker:Yes, absolutely.
Speaker:Um, I mean, I don't have a ton of science backing this up, but
Speaker:just from what I've heard is.
Speaker:Definitely for females, uh, fasting during their moon days is something that is
Speaker:typically not something that's recommended as well as, um, the female body literally
Speaker:is able to reproduce a human being, Right?
Speaker:And so, right.
Speaker:Uh, going too long of a period in a fasted state, like let's say someone's doing,
Speaker:um, one meal a day, you know what I mean?
Speaker:A a a female specifically, right?
Speaker:And they go like a week or more doing that.
Speaker:The body is then going to get in a mode where it's.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Um, you know, we're not receiving enough food mm-hmm.
Speaker:and we are not in, you know, there might be a famine, there might be a war going
Speaker:on, so it is not the time to reproduce, so let's go ahead and shut things down.
Speaker:Like, let's, let's not make ourselves, um, able to reproduce at this moment
Speaker:in time, which obviously reproduction is a sign of very good health, so.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Um, yeah, I, I'd always try to.
Speaker:If I'm talking with someone on fasting, specifically with a female,
Speaker:I always try to like, Okay, well let's break it up a little bit, You
Speaker:know, And on the moon days, like, Hey, take it easy if you got cravings.
Speaker:Like just, you know, go head and enjoy a little bit, like it's
Speaker:not gonna kill you, you know?
Speaker:Um, but yeah, I don't know.
Speaker:It's, it's so wild.
Speaker:The biology, once again is just crazy, like , there's so much to it.
Speaker:Yeah, no, that's a good point.
Speaker:I mean, I had, uh, uh, Megan Ramos on, and they have, uh, she's with Dr.
Speaker:Jason Fong and you know, she.
Speaker:They work with plenty of women that had a lot of success.
Speaker:I just think they might just have to ease into it a little bit more and just be a
Speaker:little more aware of, of, um, you know, like you said, um, menstrual cycles and
Speaker:things like that, um, that can take a toll regarding fasting and things like that.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:But nonetheless, I mean, it's still good.
Speaker:Obviously there's so many benefits and, and, uh, it's just like, you know, it's
Speaker:the experiment where, you know, knowing your biology, um, and trying to be as
Speaker:in tune with your body as possible.
Speaker:Um, did you, now, do you happen to know if there's any correlation between like
Speaker:fasting and even testosterone level, uh, levels or anything like that?
Speaker:Yeah, that's a, that's a good point.
Speaker:I mean, you know, I think everyone's a little bit different, but it
Speaker:ca um, you know, it's been shown.
Speaker:I would say actually I shouldn't, I'm not gonna cite any studies,
Speaker:but, um, you know, it's been shown to increase growth hormone.
Speaker:Um, you.
Speaker:I think if you overdue fasting for a while, you know, I would keep an
Speaker:eye on your testosterone, you know, um, because um, you don't want to
Speaker:overdo it cuz you'll get that rising cortisol and things like that could
Speaker:happen, some of these stress hormones.
Speaker:So, um, I'm not gonna cite any necessarily studies.
Speaker:I think it's something that you should measure, and then if you are gonna do
Speaker:some fasting, just keep an eye on it.
Speaker:Um, because obviously if you're talking about middle aged males, I think
Speaker:number one important is preserving and maintaining muscle mass as we age
Speaker:SAR and not getting any sarcopenia.
Speaker:Um, so.
Speaker:You know, fasting's, obviously you're gonna be in a catabolic state, and, and
Speaker:so someone that is 40 plus, 50 plus years old, you know, Yes, there's, there's some
Speaker:great benefits too, fasting, and I think it's a great tool to have, but I also
Speaker:think, you know, you're not 25 years old anymore, and perhaps you should focus
Speaker:a little bit more on protein intake.
Speaker:You know, just having healthy whole foods and, and making sure that
Speaker:you're, you know, you're doing some, uh, resistance training.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker:It's, uh, the, so the only reason I really ask is just, uh, hormones and
Speaker:testosterone has been something that I've been pretty interested in here recently.
Speaker:And, uh, you know, I, I heard that in the last like 30 years,
Speaker:the average, uh, testosterone in males has gone down by like 30%.
Speaker:Um, and so just, you know, it's a, it's a big topic at the, at the moment.
Speaker:Um, and so, yeah, I was just curious if like, you know, fasting was able
Speaker:to like increase or do anything like that, but, Oh, um, yeah.
Speaker:I don't, I don't wanna make that claim.
Speaker:I mean, Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:I think that like the, probably the reason it's gone down is, is a lot of the toxins.
Speaker:That are in our, that are maybe, you know, like even like the
Speaker:microplastics and things like this, that, that could cause that.
Speaker:And just the, the influx of vegetable oils and processed foods that, that could
Speaker:be causing this decline in testosterone.
Speaker:I think if you go back to eating, you know, whole foods, single
Speaker:ingredient foods, um, meat, wild, you know, breastfed meat, if you can.
Speaker:Wild fish.
Speaker:Um, you know, maybe some raw dairy would be great if you could do that.
Speaker:Um, you know, things like that.
Speaker:I think that, that, that would probably be the biggest bang for your buck
Speaker:as far as helping with testosterone.
Speaker:Yeah, a hundred percent.
Speaker:I mean, it's the eating whole foods, cooking at home, uh, essentially
Speaker:eating like we would've maybe ate a couple hundred years ago, you know,
Speaker:is, is gonna really be most beneficial.
Speaker:Cuz like you were saying, there's people who will eat from sunrise to sun down and,
Speaker:you know, aside from maybe the last like.
Speaker:What, 70 years or something like that has never existed in humanity
Speaker:where you could have access to food from literally the time you
Speaker:wake up to the time you go to bed.
Speaker:Like, so wild.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Um, and, and, and, you know, and, you know, stress levels too are
Speaker:to take a toll on testosterone.
Speaker:So, you know, being, you know, being, having some type of mindfulness
Speaker:practice, which I know you practic.
Speaker:Evan and I think a lot of guys, and even women, like I try to get my wife to do a
Speaker:little bit of yoga and things like that.
Speaker:I mean, I think it's something that, you know, even if it's just like 10 minutes
Speaker:of some type of meditation, I think that can take a, uh, you know, play a great
Speaker:role in, in getting optimal health.
Speaker:Oh, absolutely.
Speaker:No, and thank you for saying that.
Speaker:I think we, uh, you know, it's kind of.
Speaker:With everything.
Speaker:Once you live your life a certain way, you just kind of adapt and
Speaker:think it's the, the normal, you know?
Speaker:And in terms of, uh, eating like fast food, back in the day when I was young,
Speaker:like I would eat fast food and it was like, Oh, my, my gut acting up.
Speaker:Like this is just my normal, you know what I mean?
Speaker:Like, it just becomes, uh, the, the usual, right?
Speaker:And then once you shift that, Now if I go eat fast food, I'm like,
Speaker:Oh my God, this is, this is rough.
Speaker:You know?
Speaker:Um, and I think it's the same thing with stress.
Speaker:Like, you live your life in such a stress, like a low, low to high level
Speaker:stress that you don't even notice.
Speaker:You're so stressed and your shoulders are here and you're
Speaker:breathing only in your chest.
Speaker:You know, like if you just took a second and breathe and you're like, Oh my God.
Speaker:Like, I'm, I'm relaxed and this feels amazing, you know?
Speaker:Um, so thank you for hitting on that.
Speaker:That's such a huge point.
Speaker:Yeah, no problem.
Speaker:I had Avi Greenberg on my podcast and he was great.
Speaker:He'd be someone that maybe if you wanna talk about breath and mindfulness
Speaker:practice, uh, I did some breath work with him over like four sessions.
Speaker:And I'm telling you, it's amazing what you can do just with your breath.
Speaker:I mean, these things are, everyone has, has, has, has it to their, their disposal.
Speaker:It's free.
Speaker:And, and I wouldn't say it's easy, it's something you have to work on, but
Speaker:it, it can, it can really go a long.
Speaker:Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker:I I would love to, um, get his information after this, uh, cuz
Speaker:the, the breath is in incredible.
Speaker:Um, uh, yeah, I, when I went for my yoga teacher training, that's when I
Speaker:started doing a ton of breath work.
Speaker:Uh, we would do like an hour of it every single day.
Speaker:Wow.
Speaker:And at first it was, you know, kind of just interesting.
Speaker:And then man, a few days in you're just like, whoa, this is so wild.
Speaker:Like, alls I'm doing is changing the rate and pace and, you
Speaker:know, way I'm breathing and.
Speaker:Absolutely having a physical effect on the body.
Speaker:Totally wild.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah, yeah.
Speaker:Um, but yeah, so that's pretty much most of my questions on the intermittent
Speaker:fasting, but, um, is there any other points that you've been, uh, or maybe
Speaker:any things that you've been interested in lately or, uh, working on that have really
Speaker:been peaking your interest at this moment?
Speaker:Well, uh, you know, I've been doing a little bit of self experimentation myself.
Speaker:I've been fairly low carbon fasting for a while.
Speaker:I am introducing, um, some more carbs into my life and seeing how I, how I perform
Speaker:in the gym and how I, how, just like overall, you know, I took a blood test.
Speaker:I took a, I took a dexa, so I'll probably be reporting back in a few months.
Speaker:It's been, I've been doing it for about a month and a half now, and so we're gonna
Speaker:see how, how it, how it all plays out.
Speaker:But, you know, mainly adding in.
Speaker:Like fruit, little bit of honey here and there, maybe some potatoes.
Speaker:Um, and uh, and just seeing how I, how I perform and how, you know,
Speaker:hormonally I wasn't anything crazy.
Speaker:My, you know, my blood work was pretty solid, but, you know, I just wanted to
Speaker:see how, you know, thyroid and liver and everything just responded to that.
Speaker:So, we'll, we'll have to see.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:And that's, that's really, um, you had mentioned that earlier
Speaker:too, is like testing for like testosterone levels and stuff.
Speaker:It's really the best way to know is to actually, to measure it.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:And so that's really cool that you're doing that.
Speaker:Um, uh, actually, is there a specific like blood, uh, panel, uh, company that you use
Speaker:or is it just through your local hospital?
Speaker:Yeah, I mean if you could go through your, your physician, that would be the best.
Speaker:But I sort of paid out of pocket actually.
Speaker:Uh, there's a company called me Health, um, and I use their, their,
Speaker:their like fundamental health lab.
Speaker:Panel, uh, which measured like literally everything.
Speaker:Everything.
Speaker:It's not cheap, but you know, you do it a couple times a year.
Speaker:I, I feel like it's worth it.
Speaker:You know, everything from fasting insulin to all the, you know, sex hormone
Speaker:binding globulin and IGF one and a POB lipid panel, vitamin D, iron, cortisol.
Speaker:So, yeah, no, I mean it.
Speaker:It's honestly crucial.
Speaker:Like if you want, I mean obviously you can just pay attention to how you're
Speaker:feeling and looking and all this, but to really, really know the numbers Yeah,
Speaker:you gotta get the blood work done, which is really cool that you're doing that.
Speaker:I know.
Speaker:Um, for myself, when I go, I try to stay mostly low carb and, and
Speaker:just getting my carbs from, uh, you know, from whole food sources.
Speaker:Obviously not trying to eat a ton of bread and, and and crackers or
Speaker:whatever it may be, Uh, but definitely.
Speaker:The low carb seems to work pretty well for me.
Speaker:Uh, I was really surprised.
Speaker:Um, I did the elimination diet and one of the things you have to take out is gluten
Speaker:and I really thought gluten was gonna play a pretty massive role in how I felt.
Speaker:So, uh, I did go ahead and get just like a really clean sourdough bread,
Speaker:which obviously, you know, it's a little bit more fermented and all that.
Speaker:So, uh, I was surprised though when I ate.
Speaker:Like zero blow, nothing like that.
Speaker:And, and that, that was really surprising to me because a lot of times when I do eat
Speaker:carbs, I get like a heavy bloat going and just, yeah, just not feeling at my best.
Speaker:But, uh, uh, the, the, the sourdough bread seemed to work
Speaker:for me, which was interesting.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean, I think it, and you know, if you make your own bread, I know
Speaker:there's like bread baking kits that's like the best way to go, obviously.
Speaker:And, and the sourdough bread, I had a Dr.
Speaker:Bill Schindler on, um, and he, he, he has like, Bread baking company, I think,
Speaker:and they make a lot of different things.
Speaker:But, um, yeah, if you're gonna, I would.
Speaker:You probably don't need to eat bread, but if you're gonna
Speaker:have it, ma, make your own.
Speaker:That'd be the best route.
Speaker:A hundred percent.
Speaker:I know people, they're like, Oh, well, what's the best kind
Speaker:of bread that I should eat?
Speaker:And it's, you know, it's kind of like, well, you know, maybe you
Speaker:should look into alternatives.
Speaker:But I do.
Speaker:I tell them like, Look, if you're gonna buy a bread, I would go with sourdough
Speaker:and also look at the ingredient list.
Speaker:If it's more than like, Five ingredients.
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Don't buy it because if you make sourdough, you know that your
Speaker:starter is literally water and flour.
Speaker:And then when you bake it, you just add more water and flour
Speaker:and uh, you know, maybe salt.
Speaker:That's it.
Speaker:That's all you need, you know?
Speaker:Right.
Speaker:Yep.
Speaker:So less less is better.
Speaker:. Yeah.
Speaker:Always.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Absolutely.
Speaker:Um, but yeah.
Speaker:Okay.
Speaker:Well, uh, that's pretty much all of the questions I have for you today,
Speaker:Brian, but, uh, this has been an absolute pleasure having you on.
Speaker:Uh, I Thanks very.
Speaker:Yeah, no, I, I love talking about obviously health and wellness, but, uh,
Speaker:fasting very specifically and, uh, a little bit of the cold, cold exposure and,
Speaker:and, and heat and all that good stuff.
Speaker:So, uh, thank you very much for sharing your information on here and if you would
Speaker:please, you know, share where people can connect with you at, um, any, you know,
Speaker:events coming up that you might have or anything like that, that would be, Yeah,
Speaker:no, the best place would be brian grin.com and that's, you know, b r i n g r Y n
Speaker:and all my stuff's pretty much there.
Speaker:You can, you know, Instagram BD, grin, um, and I'm on all the other
Speaker:social media platforms as well.
Speaker:Um, yeah, that's about it.
Speaker:I have a book coming out, hopefully in the next month, so it'll be a pdf book.
Speaker:Um, and, uh, I'm excited about that.
Speaker:So that'll be all about just like pillars of health and things like that.
Speaker:So excited.
Speaker:Amazing.
Speaker:Uh, what and what, what was the name of that book?
Speaker:Yeah, the name is, We're going back and forth.
Speaker:I think it's gonna be Eat Like a King and Look Like a Prince.
Speaker:Love it.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:So . So, but, uh, you know, I, yeah, we've had different iterations, so, but I
Speaker:think we're gonna fall around there, so.
Speaker:No, that's cool.
Speaker:I like that title, . Um, and you also have a few other, uh,
Speaker:like books out as well, correct?
Speaker:Well, I had a kids book that came out a few years ago, so, uh, the Magic
Speaker:Zoo that was more out of just fun and I have nieces and nephews and so,
Speaker:but it, it is teach, it does teach.
Speaker:In a fun way with animals and, and so if you do have kids, it's
Speaker:uh, it's called the Magic Zoo.
Speaker:So, No, that's awesome.
Speaker:Yeah, I mean also too, just tapping into your creative energy right there.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:Yeah.
Speaker:No, that was, it was fun.
Speaker:. Awesome.
Speaker:Awesome.
Speaker:Brian.
Speaker:Well, hey, thank you so much for everything, Brian.
Speaker:Um, I definitely would love to stay in touch and maybe have you back on
Speaker:the show or, or something along those lines, so, uh, yeah, that'd be fun.
Speaker:Thank you very much for hopping on here.
Speaker:Thanks so much for having me on Evan.
Speaker:It was great.
Speaker:Awesome, Brian.
Speaker:Well, you already know the model of the show.
Speaker:Do everything with good intentions and connect your elements.
Speaker:And let's just say go ahead and do a little bit of fasting as well.
Speaker:All right, everyone.
